Deflate-Gate: Patriots Being Investigated For Deflated Footballs

[CPcavedweller]

i'm not sure if you're replying to the wrong post, but I don't find Brunell credible at all. The guy blew through 50 million dollars and is now bankrupt, he's a fugin moron.

 

When Theisman runs an independent test and can't tell the difference between the balls, then Brunell and Jerome "Embarrassed by the Patriots" Bettis stand on the ESPN set and toss a football to each other and say "Oh yeah definitely that's 11 psi, I can totally tell," they're feeding you the biggest line of horse poo.

 

ESPN released a story prematurely based on "Mortenson's anonymous sources". First it was D'qwell Jackson who called the ball boy over to say the ball seemed flat. Then Jackson comes out and says he has no idea where that came from and the only thing he said was to hold on to the ball for him. Then out comes the fact that the Raven's "tipped off" the Colts about light balls. Also unsubstantiated but would explain why the ball boy immediately took the ball and tested it.

 

In my unprofessional and underqualified, yet logical, opinion, ESPN jumped the gun on reporting false information and created a media poo storm that is easy enough to continue because of the two people that are believed to be responsible. But the balls are tested, and Tom Brady isn't able to go check out the balls on the sideline. The NFL has cameras everywhere and not one caught a ball being deflated on the sideline much less 11.

 

Hypothesis: The referees never fully checked the pressure in the balls pregame and allowed the game to be played regardless until it was brought to their attention by the Colts brass. Similar to Rodgers over inflating balls to increase velocity, Brady may like decreased pressure because he is more of a finesse guy.

 

Ultimately, it is all preference and the notion that "Everybody does it" may not be totally incorrect in this case. Somebody screwed up in measuring the pressure pregame and now ESPN is running with the narrative they started to save face. While declaring Brady come clean about "cheating", ESPN needs to come clean about faulty journalism and falsifying news. The 21st-century sports version of "Yellow Journalism" at its finest.

[CPcavedweller]

Your gotcha game needs as much work as your reading comprehension. When someone says a phrase like 'most likely scenario' or similar it's usually an indication that it's a theory, not a conclusion.

 

 

More likely a hypothesis. But one has to question whether or not there was some form of sabotage planned. The narrative is this: "The Patriots gained an unfair advantage by playing with underinflated balls." The real story, "When the underinflated balls were replaced, the Patriots scored 4 straight touchdowns en route to a 45-7 victory."

 

So where is the advantage?

 

[PandaPancake]

So many Patriot nut huggers here.

[rodeo]

ESPN released a story prematurely based on "Mortenson's anonymous sources". First it was D'qwell Jackson who called the ball boy over to say the ball seemed flat. Then Jackson comes out and says he has no idea where that came from and the only thing he said was to hold on to the ball for him. Then out comes the fact that the Raven's "tipped off" the Colts about light balls. Also unsubstantiated but would explain why the ball boy immediately took the ball and tested it.

 

In my unprofessional and underqualified, yet logical, opinion, ESPN jumped the gun on reporting false information and created a media poo storm that is easy enough to continue because of the two people that are believed to be responsible. But the balls are tested, and Tom Brady isn't able to go check out the balls on the sideline. The NFL has cameras everywhere and not one caught a ball being deflated on the sideline much less 11.

 

Hypothesis: The referees never fully checked the pressure in the balls pregame and allowed the game to be played regardless until it was brought to their attention by the Colts brass. Similar to Rodgers over inflating balls to increase velocity, Brady may like decreased pressure because he is more of a finesse guy.

 

Ultimately, it is all preference and the notion that "Everybody does it" may not be totally incorrect in this case. Somebody screwed up in measuring the pressure pregame and now ESPN is running with the narrative they started to save face. While declaring Brady come clean about "cheating", ESPN needs to come clean about faulty journalism and falsifying news. The 21st-century sports version of "Yellow Journalism" at its finest.

 

Not only unsubstantiated, but Harbaugh has flat denied it.

 

[gettlemanjack]

ex-QBs call Brady a liar:

Fran Tarkenton said Brady "[knew] exactly what was done to the ball or what wasn't done with the ball as every other quarterback in the National Football League is. I thought in the press conference he was very uncomfortable because he knows that he knows."

Mark Brunell: I did not believe Tom Brady...there is not one equipment guy in the NFL that would take it on his own initiative to deflate those balls without the knowledge, without the instruction, without the direction of the starting quarterback of that football team."

Troy Aikman: "It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this."

Phil Simms said he could "absolutely" differentiate between a properly inflated ball and an under-inflated ball. "I'd be shocked if I couldn't tell," Simms said.

John Madden: “That would have to be driven by the quarterback,” Madden said. “That’s something that wouldn’t be driven by a coach or just the equipment guy. Nobody, not even the head coach, would do anything to a football unilaterally, such as adjust the amount of pressure in a ball, without the quarterback not knowing. It would have to be the quarterback’s idea. ... “He is the only guy. I heard some of the pundits saying the ball is easier to catch, but that would never, ever, ever be done for that unless the quarterback wanted it. You wouldn’t do something for a receiver to catch the ball if the quarterback couldn’t throw it. So it’s going to be done for the quarterback.”

Belichick: “Tom’s personal preference on his footballs are something he can talk about in much better detail than I can possibly provide.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/01/22/john-madden-tom-brady-to-blame-not-bill-belichick-for-patriots-deflategate/

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2015/01/is_tom_brady_lying_about_alleged_new_england_patriots_cheating_nfl_players_analysts_say.html#incart_story_package

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/01/new_england_patriots_cheating_scandal_phil_simms_e.html#incart_story_package

[Harris Aballah]

My theory is that booby is old and his hands aren't what they used to be. So to compensate the team decided to deflate the balls. I would think they have been doing so for at least the last couple weeks of the season. And obviously thru the playoffs. I guess the proof will come when he plays in the SB with balls that will clearly not be tampered with? So, if he sh%ts the bed and throws a bad game, this theory will become espn's new narrative. That or they'll say the Seahawks cheated.

[CCS]

If this wasn't the Super Bowl there would be a lot more penalties coming down and chances are the game would be void. If this was college football the Pats would be fugged

[cgarsmoker]

At this point from what I've seen, the most likely scenario is that the balls were improperly tested in the pre-game approval.

Adam Schefter has reported that the league is having trouble finding any evidence of tampering, despite over 50 cameras in the area.

Combined with a former Bears ball boy coming out and saying that most often the pregame inspection consisted of the refs holding the footballs and looking at the laces, without actually measuring anything, and that in all his time as a ball boy the refs didn't reject a single ball.

I think what is gonna end up being the case is that the Patriots deflated the balls before the pre-game, in the same manner that the Packers overinflate theirs, and the refs failed to properly test them before approving them for use.

This could very well be true...if it is, I wouldn't fault the Patriots at all. From what I read, the NFL had been notified before the game and the refs planned to check the Patriots balls at halftime. If this was the basic plan by the NFL, I would bet they meticulously tested those balls to have accurate record of any changes that may have occurred. This is one of those speculative things that needs be judged after the report comes out. Aaron Rogers was complaining about the refs deflating his balls so your Bears ball boy comment about refs not measuring anything doesn't carry much weight since Rogers himself disputes that.

Why are you so compelled to defend the Patriots in such a vigorous way? You seem to go beyond the objective onlooker to where you're obviously biased in your opinion. It seems odd watching a Panther fan be so passionate towards defending another team.

[gettlemanjack]

quotes from Brady's presser addressing his balls:

"When I pick those balls out, at that point, you know, to me, they’re perfect. I don't want anyone touching the balls after that. I don't want them rubbing them."

"I don't think anyone knew there was an issue with the balls."

"When I felt them, they were perfect. I wouldn't want anyone touching those. I would zip those things up and lock them away until I got on the field and had the opportunity to play with them."

"Everybody has a preference. Some guys like them round, some guys like them thin, some guys like them tacky, some guys like them brand new, some guys like old balls. They're all different. ... It's a very individual thing."

"I'm not squeezing the balls. That's not part of my process ... I don’t sit there and try to squeeze"

Jerry Thornton @jerrythornton1

Brady should end this with "I am Iron Man."

Comedian Benari Poulten @ BenariLee

I think this was all a conspiracy to get Tom Brady to spend 45 minutes talking about how he handles his balls .

Rylan Forester @ ForesterRylan

Breaking News: Gisele says she has conducted a very

thorough investigation on Brady 's balls

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-football-ball-quotes-012215

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/22/tom_brady_press_conference_ball_denial.html

[gettlemanjack]

Pro Football on ESPN @ ESPNNFL 4h

Almost the entire country doesn't believe Belichick and

Brady . Except one particular region

[Pondmanmark]

I am putting this up for the Tony, Oscar , and every other award out there. The use of the door seen from "Love Actually" was FANTASTIC.

 

BRAVO BRAVO ...we must have more

 

quotes from Brady's presser addressing his balls:

"When I pick those balls out, at that point, you know, to me, they’re perfect. I don't want anyone touching the balls after that. I don't want them rubbing them."

"I don't think anyone knew there was an issue with the balls."

"When I felt them, they were perfect. I wouldn't want anyone touching those. I would zip those things up and lock them away until I got on the field and had the opportunity to play with them."

"Everybody has a preference. Some guys like them round, some guys like them thin, some guys like them tacky, some guys like them brand new, some guys like old balls. They're all different. ... It's a very individual thing."

"I'm not squeezing the balls. That's not part of my process ... I don’t sit there and try to squeeze"

Jerry Thornton @jerrythornton1
Brady should end this with "I am Iron Man."

Comedian Benari Poulten @ BenariLee
I think this was all a conspiracy to get Tom Brady to spend 45 minutes talking about how he handles his balls .

Rylan Forester @ ForesterRylan
Breaking News: Gisele says she has conducted a very
thorough investigation on Brady 's balls

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/new-england-patriots-tom-brady-deflategate-football-ball-quotes-012215

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/22/tom_brady_press_conference_ball_denial.html

 

[Pondmanmark]

This topic is deflating the Super Bowl.

 

 

There is no Superbowl this year....It's been replaced by the HateBowl.

[Panthers8969]

They've been cheating for years now. Hurney supposedly knew they cheated during our super bowl too. Though I think everyone knew that after spygate

[gettlemanjack]

ex-QBs call Brady a liar:

Fran Tarkenton said Brady "[knew] exactly what was done to the ball or what wasn't done with the ball as every other quarterback in the National Football League is. I thought in the press conference he was very uncomfortable because he knows that he knows."

Mark Brunell: I did not believe Tom Brady...there is not one equipment guy in the NFL that would take it on his own initiative to deflate those balls without the knowledge, without the instruction, without the direction of the starting quarterback of that football team."

Troy Aikman: "It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this."

Phil Simms said he could "absolutely" differentiate between a properly inflated ball and an under-inflated ball. "I'd be shocked if I couldn't tell," Simms said.

John Madden: “That would have to be driven by the quarterback,” Madden said. “That’s something that wouldn’t be driven by a coach or just the equipment guy. Nobody, not even the head coach, would do anything to a football unilaterally, such as adjust the amount of pressure in a ball, without the quarterback not knowing. It would have to be the quarterback’s idea. ... “He is the only guy. I heard some of the pundits saying the ball is easier to catch, but that would never, ever, ever be done for that unless the quarterback wanted it. You wouldn’t do something for a receiver to catch the ball if the quarterback couldn’t throw it. So it’s going to be done for the quarterback.”

Belichick: “Tom’s personal preference on his footballs are something he can talk about in much better detail than I can possibly provide.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/01/22/john-madden-tom-brady-to-blame-not-bill-belichick-for-patriots-deflategate/

http://www.nj.com/super-bowl/index.ssf/2015/01/is_tom_brady_lying_about_alleged_new_england_patriots_cheating_nfl_players_analysts_say.html#incart_story_package

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/01/new_england_patriots_cheating_scandal_phil_simms_e.html#incart_story_package

Matt Leinart:

“Not once did a head coach ever have any input in that. It’s strictly a quarterback-to-equipment-manager thing and that’s pretty universal. Those are the only two guys that have any part of that process.

“You go through the whole bag and you literally handpick them and say, ‘This one is good, this one’s too hard, put a little bit of air in that one, take a little bit out. … It’s a full 20-minute process to make sure on Sunday you have the exact football you want to be throwing. Quarterbacks are very, very picky about how they want their ball and that goes on everywhere.”

http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/ex-players-react-bradys-cluelessness-unbelievable/