Insider: Panthers have a leader and franchise QB in Cam Newton

[TonyN]

"Derek Anderson is a better pocket passer than Cam Newton" - TonyN

 

Please, Geechie Man, don't make up quotes and attribute them to me.

 

I have never made that statement on this board or in real life.

 

I have stated that I believe Derek Anderson to be a mediocre journeyman...and yet just as good a pure passer as Newton.

 

Consider that the lion's share of Anderson's stats come from before 2010...this is crucially important because the completion percentage of NFL QB's overall has increased by an average of 8% over the last 5 years with TD's going up and INT's going down. 

 

There are several reasons for this, obviously. This fact is one of the quiet little "big lies" Camophiles hide behind.

 

They love to qualify Newton's numbers relative to the all-time greats, when that comparison is completely invalid.

 

The only players Newton can be fairly compared too are his contemporaries...compare Newton's statistics to those of the QB's who have been drafted since 2010.

 

[cgarsmoker]

Well, if I were Bus Cook, I would certainly pray the Panthers don't base their negotiating position based on Newton's completion percentage or NFL passer rating...and I am sure Mr. Cook won't be the first to mention those numbers.

There is no doubt that of all the available QB metrics available, Total QBR is the most favorable to the running types.

While I disagree with the weight some stats are given in Total QBR, especially when determining the long term value of a player, let's look at Newton's total QBR numbers throughout his career:

2011: 15th

2012: 14th

2013: 13th

2014: 16th

I can't argue with Newton's consistency in regard these rankings...I think he should be offered a contract in line with these numbers. He is simply not a top 10 QB. He is middle of the pack...if he stays healthy...

Does any General Manger use QBR when rating or evaluating QB's? I thought that was a stat created by espn to summarize QB performance for television/media purposes. I'm actually not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know and I'm curious if it's a stat taken seriously by coaches and GM's.

And what QB doesn't need to stay healthy to get improved stats? Extra digs like that make you seem petty and incapable of letting your bias cloud every comment.

[TonyN]

Does any General Manger use QBR when rating or evaluating QB's? I thought that was a stat created by espn to summarize QB performance for television/media purposes. I'm actually not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know and I'm curious if it's a stat taken seriously by coaches and GM's.

 

It is a combination metric and is taken seriously be some and less seriously by others.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Geno just finished his second year. He has struggled yes but he also has some great games. When the lights completely click for him he will be one of the top QB's in the league. Which should be this year or next if they give him a chance.

So you think geno fuging smith is going to be one of the best Qbs in the league, but don't think that about the guy who had arguably the greatest rookie season of all time AND he plays for your team. Oooooooook then

[TonyN]

No one knows but we have a pretty good idea. its not like the top 5 QBs are all suddenly going to get $50 million next year.

 

But you'd rather have newton take up ~$18 mil a year for 3 years on the cap than have an escalating cap number for the next 3 years?

 

You really can't tag a player more than twice or it becomes suicide, but if Newton actually plays like an elite QB in 2016 and 2017 I have no problem paying him that kind of money.

 

The point here is that if he puts up elite numbers, he will get paid elite money and I will support if fully.

[cgarsmoker]

It is a combination metric and is taken seriously be some and less seriously by others.

You mean seriously by you and less serious by actual football decision makers? I'll confess, I knew the answer before I asked you that question and credit you for being honest in saying QBR isn't something NFL GM's don't use as a metric of success.

That leads me to this....Doesn't that make your QBR comments and rankings pretty much nonsense?

[TheRed]

I see you as a troll. It's like you have a Cam alarm, anytime someone criticizes Cam, you magically show up. You don't offer much but empty quips.

If I see blatant idiocy I will comment on it. There is criticizing and then there is being a useless chode by derailing a thread about praising Mike Remmers and turning it into a pissing contest about Cam Newton for no reason. I won't name names, but that guy who does those sort of things knows who he is. I don't think I've ever even created a thread about Newton.

[TonyN]

Does any General Manger use QBR when rating or evaluating QB's? I thought that was a stat created by espn to summarize QB performance for television/media purposes. I'm actually not trying to be a dick, I honestly don't know and I'm curious if it's a stat taken seriously by coaches and GM's.

And what QB doesn't need to stay healthy to get improved stats? Extra digs like that make you seem petty and incapable of letting your bias cloud every comment.

 

I am not sure why being concerned with the health of a running QB who exposes himself to far more hits than the average QB is a "dig". Especially when the injury bug starts to bite.

 

It is not a "dig". It is sanity. It is the fundamental reason why pro football offenses evolved in a different direction than college offenses.

 

 

[TheNewStandard]

Cam and ET...lol

[TonyN]

 I knew the answer before I asked you that question and credit you for being honest in saying QBR isn't something NFL GM's don't use as a metric of success.

 

 

LOL...nice sentence.

 

Some people take Total QBR very seriously, Bill Polian for example.

 

I don't take if very seriously, frankly.

 

I believe the total construct of NFL passer rating in conjunction with watching film to be far more instructive.

 

Sorry, Charlie, no more argument from me on this thread...it's time to watch football...

[cgarsmoker]

LOL...nice sentence.

Some people take Total QBR very seriously, Bill Polian for example.

I don't take if very seriously, frankly.

I believe the total construct of NFL passer rating in conjunction with watching film to be far more instructive.

Sorry, Charlie, no more argument from me on this thread...it's time to watch football...

I could have came right out and said QBR is nothing but a media stat (used by Bill Polian while he's working for ESPN obviously) but it's more effective when you make my point for me. For someone that doesn't take QBR seriously, you seem to formulate a lot of posts and opinions about Cam using QBR as your measuring stick. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with next. Enjoy the game.

[TheRumGone]

tonyn watches "film"

 

lol

[Squirrel]

Before the beginning of last season, the mods on the Falcons forum went about banning everyone who critiqued Matt Ryan. They were labelled as trolls by the "fans". Well as the season went on, those that were left on there could not hold themselves back when Ryan was throwing pick sixes.

 

No one here hates Cam Newton. Most of us watch other NFL games and see other QBs play. Wanting Cam to improve on certain bad aspects of his game does not mean you hate him.

 

 

 

Someone gets it. 

 

[Jackofalltrades]

Carson was actually having an excellent year and was undefeated before his injury. What is your idea of a fair contract for Cam that is also not going to cripple us? Keep in mind we need to sign Keeks, possibly Hardy, Star, KB, Norman.

Hardy?

Lol.