Insider: Panthers have a leader and franchise QB in Cam Newton

[Squirrel]

This is fair. I think during that horrid o line play stretch cam became somewhat shell shocked and regressed in his footwork. He did start hearing footsteps that were not there.

Some people have also alluded to the fact that him running so much wears him down and he becomes sloppy with his footwork because his legs are tired. I think that is also fair when looking at the games where he stayed in the pocket because of his ankle. A lot of us thought he was about to take it to the next level.

I don't know where this 150 million dollar talk is coming from. I see cam getting anywhere between 30-45 mill gauranteed. You cant sit there in contract negations and expect cam to sign a kap type deal with only 16 mill gauranteed with incentive escalators when he has been such a large portion of our offense and he has proved what he can do with very little.

He doesn't deserve top qb money but he deserves that gauranteed money for what he has done and what he is capable of doing in the future. He's younger than all the young qbs even though he has played one more year and only had one year of top college ball. He has progressed every year even if he regressed in certain portions of the year. He has progressed as a leader, I still believe he has progressed as a passer this year even if it was inconsistent.

There is a lot to be excited about and from what I've read and seen he has the will to put in the work. We are very lucky to have him and I hope he stays here for his entire career

 

Fair and balance assessment I knew you had it in you.

 

 

 

[AceBoogie]

You want point of view. Over the past 4 years Cam has not improved his footwork or mechanics which have effected his accuracy. He is getting worse every year and oh yeah he is getting injured more. He is starting to look like Michael Vick 2.0 on the field and is not worth top 10 QB pay. I have stated before I wouldnt mind signing Cam but nothing over 19 million a year but I wouldnt want it more than 4 years.

His offensive line has gotten worse every year he's been in the league. Think about that. 2 years he's been in the league he hasn't had an offseason. He was a four year starter in college, so as far as playing the QB role, it's going to take time. The talent around him can't keep declining while asking him to improve.

[Squirrel]

He's going to get as much, if not more, than Dalton and Kaep.

 

 

And it's going to hurt us, yes, but it's not going to kill us. We're in like, the last year of this Hurney mess, we can sort this out. Signing a franchise QB =/= putting yourself in cap hell.

 

Worth noting that the contract will be incentive laden, much like Kaep's and Dalton's.

 

Cam should and will most likely get in the 18-19 a year range with signing bonus and guaranteed.  There is only a few QB making over 20 million a year.  He will get some escalators that can push it higher.  I thought Cam agent already said they wouldn't do a deal like Kaep's or Dalton's.  The one thing I hope the Panthers can get in it if possible is some sort of injury clause don't know if that is possible or not.

[teeray]

Cam Newton has room for improvement in much of his game. That is actually a scary notion for the rest of the league to consider.

This

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[TheRumGone]

Fair and balance assessment I knew you had it in you.

Thanks for the condescension. I haven't seen a fair and balanced assessment from you since geno smith is a better qb than cam talk last year..

Then cam preceded to put up 4 fourth quarter come back wins

[Squirrel]

Thanks for the condescension. I haven't seen a fair and balanced assessment from you since geno smith is a better qb than cam talk last year..

Then cam preceded to put up 4 fourth quarter come back wins

 

Geno just finished his second year.  He has struggled yes but he also has some great games.  When the lights completely click for him he will be one of the top QB's in the league.  Which should be this year or next if they give him a chance.

[teeray]

The problem I have with some of the criticisms is certain posters act like he is not productive or has not been successful in the league.

The other bigger problem is the issues with Cam is just part of being a young QB.

It seems some people think after 4 years everything should be honky dory. It doesn't really work that way.

Most young QBs are inconsistent for 5 or 6 years before everything really settles down.

Even Andrew Luck who played very good football this season had 70+ overthrows on the season and a poo ton of turnovers. He too is still learning and trying to be more consistent.

Cam is being held by some to the standard of 10 year vets.

We have a really, really good 25 year old QB. He has some warts. Many of those will get better just from continuing to gain experience.

But as myself and others have pointed out, even if he doesn't get significantly better, he is still a guy getting nearly 30 TDS a year. He is a franchise QB that you can win with, and that you can build around.

If he does get significantly better.... holy sh1t!!

[Dex]

Geno just finished his second year. He has struggled yes but he also has some great games. When the lights completely click for him he will be one of the top QB's in the league. Which should be this year or next if they give him a chance.

Okay now you lost me. You're on your own good sir.

[cgarsmoker]

Am I living in a duel universe where the natural order of things is all twisted? Geno Smith is going to be a top QB but Cam Newton is horrible? It's like a got some bad mushrooms and can't snap out of it.

[TheRumGone]

Geno just finished his second year. He has struggled yes but he also has some great games. When the lights completely click for him he will be one of the top QB's in the league. Which should be this year or next if they give him a chance.

Ok I'll remember this post.

But I'm sure you will make excuses like we do for cam, riiiiiiight?

[Jeremy Igo]

Geno just finished his second year.  He has struggled yes but he also has some great games.  When the lights completely click for him he will be one of the top QB's in the league.  Which should be this year or next if they give him a chance.

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

how many of you were here in 2008/2009 when pat white was going to light the league on fire.  then when he didn't it's because he got the shaft.  just like geno smith is going to be an elite quarterback if he's "given a chance".

 

noticing a pattern?  also i'm surprised that people are being as patient as they are when confronted with nothing but lazy ass rehashed bulletpoint arguments from 2011.

[TheRumGone]

how many of you were here in 2008/2009 when pat white was going to light the league on fire. then when he didn't it's because he got the shaft. just like geno smith is going to be an elite quarterback if he's "given a chance".

noticing a pattern? also i'm surprised that people are being as patient as they are when confronted with nothing but lazy ass rehashed bulletpoint arguments from 2011.

I wasn't here in 11.

But I heard this guy was a mod

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

The problem I have with some of the criticisms is certain posters act like he is not productive or has not been successful in the league.

The other bigger problem is the issues with Cam is just part of being a young QB.

It seems some people think after 4 years everything should be honky dory. It doesn't really work that way.

Most young QBs are inconsistent for 5 or 6 years before everything really settles down.

Even Andrew Luck who played very good football this season had 70+ overthrows on the season and a poo ton of turnovers. He too is still learning and trying to be more consistent.

Cam is being held by some to the standard of 10 year vets.

We have a really, really good 25 year old QB. He has some warts. Many of those will get better just from continuing to gain experience.

But as myself and others have pointed out, even if he doesn't get significantly better, he is still a guy getting nearly 30 TDS a year. He is a franchise QB that you can win with, and that you can build around.

If he does get significantly better.... holy sh1t!!

 

there are a lot of good quarterbacks who had wildly uneven starts to their careers.  drew brees wasn't even on the right side of TD/INT ratio until his fourth year.  peyton manning "regressed" to close to his rookie form and threw 42 interceptions combined between his fourth and fifth years as a pro.  then of course he would go on to settle down and achieve the form we're all so familiar with.

 

the progression of a quarterback is rarely linear and the improvements over the first few years are usually things spotted on film rather than on the stat sheet.  you also have to consider whether the organization is stable, offensive philosophy, etc.

 

unless it's a quarterback like geno smith who has barely shown anything at all you just have to withhold judgment for a few years.