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The Shula hate is overblown.

CarolinaCoolin

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updownsigma Rookie

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The only reason the yardage totals look decent is because we ran the 9th most plays in the league this year.

We were 21st in yards per play (5.2 yards/play) though, which is actually shockingly better than 2013, when we were....wait for it....

22nd in yards per play at 5.1 yards/play.

So yeah, we didn't actually improve, we just ran more plays because we were always behind. To be fair though I'm all for us running a faster paced offense so I can't really complain about that.

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right and note that only two NFL teams liked what they saw enough to elevate him to OC or higher, the Bucs and Panthers, and he sucked for both.

 

He probably got promoted too early in Tampa, as he had never been higher than a TE coach at that time, but still considering his QB's in Tampa were Trent Dilfer and Shaun King...I'm not going to be too hard on him for his performance there...

 

I am not saying Shula is the greatest OC of all time, but he is competent and runs exactly the kind of offense the Panthers need to run to win given our personnel...

 

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People always place their displeasure towards coaches.  Why?  Because we all think we can do what they do.  We know we can't block the other team's defensive end (as bad as Bell is, he'd kill any of us trying to rush the quarterback).  We know we can't cover and tackle opposing wide receivers (as slow as Roman Harper is, he's more athletic than any of us).

 

But most of us have played sports back in the day, and we watch a lot of it.  That automatically makes us experts in our own minds.

 

And you know what?  Some of us might have the instincts, knowledge, and work ethic to be an NFL coach (we're talking very small percentage).  But we aren't at practice every day, watching film on these guys, and we haven't lived the game like these guys.

 

I'm not a big Shula fan either. Just trying to point out some different viewpoints.

 

Sometimes lack of production is coaching. Sometimes it's players. I have a feeling this is a combination of both.  I guess it just depends on if you think you have someone better in mind, and if it would set the team back a step or two especially early in the year.

 

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People always place their displeasure towards coaches.  Why?  Because we all think we can do what they do.  We know we can't block the other team's defensive end (as bad as Bell is, he'd kill any of us trying to rush the quarterback).  We know we can't cover and tackle opposing wide receivers (as slow as Roman Harper is, he's more athletic than any of us).

 

But most of us have played sports back in the day, and we watch a lot of it.  That automatically makes us experts in our own minds.

 

And you know what?  Some of us might have the instincts, knowledge, and work ethic to be an NFL coach (we're talking very small percentage).  But we aren't at practice every day, watching film on these guys, and we haven't lived the game like these guys.

 

I'm not a big Shula fan either. Just trying to point out some different viewpoints.

 

Sometimes lack of production is coaching. Sometimes it's players. I have a feeling this is a combination of both.  I guess it just depends on if you think you have someone better in mind, and if it would set the team back a step or two especially early in the year.

 

Our offensive line was green, undertalented and paper thin to begin with and then ravaged by injuries...for a few games we had no legitimate running back...we lost two wide receivers who wound up being big contributors elsewhere....our top wide out was a rookie... and our QB, whatever your excuse for him might be, took a huge step backwards in his fundamentals and his performance...and yet, at the end of the day, we had respectable offensive numbers...

 

But Shula is the worst OC in the history of football...

 

Sorry, doesn't compute...

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Our offensive line was green, undertalented and paper thin to begin with and then ravaged by injuries...for a few games we had no legitimate running back...we lost two wide receivers who wound up being big contributors elsewhere....our top wide out was a rookie... and our QB, whatever your excuse for him might be, took a huge step backwards in his fundamentals and his performance...and yet, at the end of the day, we had respectable offensive numbers...

But Shula is the worst OC in the history of football...

Sorry, doesn't compute...

The whole point of the OP is right here.

Look mojo. Can you understand this?

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I don't look what he did last year or this year. He was hired because he knew the Chudz Playbook and was supposed to use it and make it better. His playbook does not resemble Chudz playbook what so ever. Everything seems slow.

I don't think Shula will ever get us over the top and into the Super Bowl.

Actually Shula was hired to maintain continuity and continue to help Newton grow since they have a good relationship and Newton is way ahead of where folks felt he would be at this point in his career.

We didn't want to turn Newton into Alex Smith part 2 by switching systems. Rivera said at the time that Shula had the best idea how to use Cam and build around him.

Now you could argue that going into year 5 he doesn't need the continuity and could handle a different system.

As to your point, he simplified the language in the play calling to help Newton with adjustments and audibles. But no he wasn't there to improve Chud's playbook and without seeing it, how would you know they are completely different.? The concepts look rather similar to me actually based on play calling.

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Yea sorry dude Shula is terrible, by mid third quarter Defenses can read the Offense like a book. Plus the Offense has to literally play perfect for Shula's playcalling to be effective.

Prove it by showing we were less effective in the third and fourth quarter and that we only won when we were perfect. Like how many games did we win or lose where Newton threw a pick or we fumbled the ball. Unless you are another poster who ignores facts and stats because it interfered with their already formed opinion. In that case nevermind because logic will be wasted on you.
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He's what I don't buy. I don't buy that Ron is keeping Shula (and Rogers) around because he's too emotional connected and friendly to fire them. Ron's life and livelihood is on the line, if he's fired his family is uprooted and he may never get another head coaching gig again.

No. Loyalty doesn't override the welfare of your family and your future. If Ron keeps Shula it's because he really believes that he can get the job done. The question is, after two years, why does he believe this? Who's blind here? Us or him? Or could it be that he has such low expectations for the offense that as long as it puts up 20 points a game he's satisfied, and then puts the burden on the defense to hold the opponent under 20. And if it is the latter, how much would really change with a new O coordinator?

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