The Shula hate is overblown.

[Chief Keek]

And what really pisses off people like you is that I usually am right. My opinions are informed by fact and I can easily back up anything I say or I won't say it. Can you find contrary facts? Yep. The whole point of a discussion.

That is what I thought a message board was for and what this used to be. Informed discussion based on facts not off the wall opinions and innuendo with nothing to back them up. Somehow this forum has gone from a great place to find informed intelligent discussion to a bunch of guys bitching and moaning with no logic or well thought rationale for why they think like they do.

 

 

Lol my goodness man, I think the only one "bitching and moaning" in this thread is you my friend. Everybody else is just giving their statement discussing it in a civilized manner and your taking it like a personal attack.

 

I don't care if your right or not this is the Internet, you seem like you got a hard-on for having a opinion that you believe is right. Chalk another one in your belt notch for "being right" on the Internet, get over yourself.

[CPantherKing]

Why keep a coordinator who gets no interest for HC jobs among the rest of the NFL. Even the really bad teams.

 

Also, Shula's game plans are way too predictable. He plays to an offenses weaknesses and does not adjust his offense to the teams strengths. Very stubborn. I can go into his issues with understanding probabilities of certain plays and players in certain situations.

 

Shula has a cookie cutter game plan. The good coaches know it and attack it. He uses his star players as decoys in the first half and goes to the scrubs. He then relies on his star players in the second half. Seattle this year and San Fran last year figured this out easily and rolled coverage to the likes of Brandon LaFell last season, and Philly Brown this season in the first half of the game. Seattle was sitting on Philly in the first half, and you can see it.

 

Shula also loves to go for the long drives, and he will run a long drive after a long drive. Well, any intelligent coach knows if you have a long drive while you are trailing in the second half and come away without any points, then you need to adjust and run quick scoring drives to get back in the game without running out the clock. He never counters his offenses failures. Instead he compounds the failures by putting players in a bad position.

 

The players not only have to beat the defense, they have to battle through their coaching as well.

 

4th and 1 QB Power. Really? Does he not know the success rate of Newton with a QB sneak under center when there is 2 yards or less to gain? He does this consistently and shows a failure to be able to adjust. He also thinks he can play mind games in the red zone with some of the better defensive minds in he game. Just put it on your top players shoulders to get the TD. Stop going to the lesser talent on the team in the red zone like Philly, Fozzy, Cotchery, Avant and Dickson. Last season it was LaFell and Ginn. There is a reason Cam, Stewart, Tolbert, DeAngelo, Olsen, and KB get paid. Let them earn their money.

 

You see other offenses go to their top players and trust in them to make the plays. They know when to take the chances, and they know who to go to in the red zone.

 

Yeah. Shula needs to go. The Panthers need someone who knows how to attack a defense and not play keep away while hoping for the best.

[iamhubby1]

Fix the Red  Zone efficiency and no one would be angry. We move the ball well most of the time, then we get bogged down in the RZ. If we were better down there, yup, we'd be better.

 

 

[FuFuLamePoo]

we could have worse.  we could also have  A LOT better

[SOJA]

The four words applied common sense.

 

 

common sense to the average NFL fan is not high praise

[Pimpdaddy]

...Do the players make the OC look like a genius or does the OC make the player? Some OC's can compensate for players lacking in talent and vice versa. When you get a good mixture of both you get teams like Green Bay, Seattle, New England, Indy... Regardless, we have to get better all around to be in the title game....Swapping one piece is not going to provide instant results with what we have on the field... 

[CRA]

If you hire a run first ball control OC

Give him a horrible OL, weak WRs that can't seperate and go vertical....and an injured QB. Pair it with a D that gives up more big plays that just about anyone.....

Your issue isn't your OC.

[carolinaperks]

How do you explain what he did to Bama?  He had access to all the talent he wanted to run his scheme, and it didn't even work at the college level.

[Mol3m4n]

If you hire a run first ball control OC

Give him a horrible OL, weak WRs that can't seperate and go vertical....and an injured QB. Pair it with a D that gives up more big plays that just about anyone.....

Your issue isn't your OC.

Great point, but Shula didn't help Amy of those things in the lady bit either. If anything, he made them look exactly like what they were, or worse.

[Ricky Spanish]

these are two sides of the argument: one is a well thought out researched piece and the other is four words 

 

That first part is WAAAAAAY more than 4 words dude...

[Ricky Spanish]

But I do think we need to move on from Shula. It's not the stats, it's his situational awareness and playcalling that bother me to no end. We put up a lot of gaudy stats this year in garbage time, not when it counted. Shula is actually damn good between the 20's I'll give him that. He can sustain a drive with the best of them. But more often times than not, when he gets to the other side of the field, he just, I don't even know, he just loses it. It's like he doesn't know what to do in the red zone. Doesn't know what plays to call, etc. etc. I don't know if it's the type of offense he runs that requires deeper longer developing routes from receivers, but the guy just doesn't seem to understand what to do in the redzone. Scoring points is not his forte, and unfortunately, you really need that in an O-Coordinator.

 

 

[FootballMaestro]

If Shula were fired by Carolina, would he receive an offer by any other team as an OC - Y/N

 

An emphatic NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FootballMaestro]

The stats were inflated dramatically this season by garbage time scores.  we were in 5 blowouts, in those 5 blowouts, we had 5 TDs in what amounted to garbage time (2 vs green bay, 2 vs philly, 1 vs pitt).  While breaking down these numbers won't give an exact percentage, I'm not willing to do that much math, still it amounts to roughly 10% of our total offensive output came in blowouts.  This isn't counting 3rd quarter points in decided games, or even field goals, this is just purely nothing for either side to play for garbage points.  Unless you plan on losing a lot (IE jags/raiders), you can't account for 10% of your offensive production to come in games already decided  What I did see from shula was horrible route combinations and lackluster play calls.  He was better down the stretch, but he was still not good, and quite honestly while people think either cam or the D bailed him out, he was saved by the emergence of J-stew(or atleast the realization that D-will can't tote anymore).  For cam to progress, he needs something that can maximize his potential without him having to run 100x a game.  We may not bring in a markedly better OC than him if he is let go, but I can promise you that it won't be worse.

 

Well said!!

[Nate Dogg]

When we go no huddle it's ghostbusters right down the field. Yet we only have a no huddle drive about once every other game.

 

Hmmmmm...