RR: OC Shula did a good job at end of the season

[Matthias]

The biggest hindrance to our offense was all the max protection.  Even the greatest offensive mind in the world would be limited to what he could do in a max protection system.  That said, Shula does stink up the joint.  He certainly isn't an offensive genius, which is what we all like to have due to our defensive minded head coach.  Yet all in all, it seemed Shula gave Cam more freedom at the end of the year to call audibles and adjust plays.  That is big time improvement.  If that continues, I wouldn't mind keeping Shula on board for another year.  Give Cam real protection on the offensive line, and get him some weapons, and anybody could probably coach this offense.

[beastson]

They go hand in hand. Say what you want but Cam is light years ahead of Kaepernick in terms of understanding defenses. And he knows how to scan the field and find the open guy. Once we get the players we need to run this offense we will have one of the most efficient like we did in 2013.

 

Teaching somebody the right way to play the QB position is the not same as calling plays, designing plays, and game planning for opposing defenses, especially top ones. We had players last year, it resulted in scoring an embarrassing 10 pts in a playoff game against San Fran. You make the redzone 3 times, with nothing to show for it. You have Cam, Olsen, an entourage of RB's, Smitty and Lafell (both who got to 1000 yards after leaving us) The next year, this year, our redzone percentage managed to get even worse. What more does an OC need? Any HC can see that as a failure. TD's win games, not FG's

 

I give Shula credit for developing Cam. I think there's better QB coaches that can take Cam even further, but he did a good job. Far as offense goes he can develop some nice run plays, but passing offense he struggles. He hasn't been a OC in NFL for what? 14 years? That's who Ron decides to choose as OC. The game has changed tremendously since then particularly in the passing game 

[panthers55]

Teaching somebody the right way to play the QB position is the not same as calling plays, designing plays, and game planning for opposing defenses, especially top ones. We had players last year, it resulted in scoring an embarrassing 10 pts in a playoff game against San Fran. You make the redzone 3 times, with nothing to show for it. You have Cam, Olsen, an entourage of RB's, Smitty and Lafell (both who got to 1000 yards after leaving us) The next year, this year, our redzone percentage managed to get even worse. What more does an OC need? Any HC can see that as a failure. TD's win games, not FG's

 

I give Shula credit for developing Cam. I think there's better QB coaches that can take Cam even further, but he did a good job. Far as offense goes he can develop some nice run plays, but passing offense he struggles. He hasn't been a OC in NFL for what? 14 years? That's who Ron decides to choose as OC. The game has changed tremendously since then particularly in the passing game 

I don't think they are that totally  different really.  In order to call plays you have to understand the defenses you are playing, tendencies, what you do well and have a good sense of what your quarterback can do.  Conversely as a quarterback coach you have to totally understand the playbook and teach your quarterback how to gameplan, make mid course corrections audibelize, etc. 

Tell me one thing, why cherry pick stats from 1 game and make a total decision from there.  Sure we struggled against San Francisco last year as many teams did.  They only gave up 17 points a game in the postseason as well as the regular season so 10 points was not abysmal.  Particularly with a QB who has never been in the postseason before.  No one is saying we were that great in the redzone last year or this year but we also made mistakes as well and shot ourselves in the foot.

 

As for all of these wonderful OCs we could have gotten in 2013, maybe you forget that we had had a new GM, our coach was on the hot seat and we were in total cap hell.  How many folks were dying to be an OC for us in 2013?  How many did we interview?  3.  I love how everyone thinks that there are a ton of guys out there with loads of experience and proven success dying to come here.  I would rather have Shula than someone who has never been an OC at any level or a college coach with no experience in the NFL. Even now exactly how many guys would want to be here now who would want a lateral move?  Few if any.  So we would be left with a positional guy who may or may not have OC experience.  You would think we have had enough of that over the years.  Frankly I dont want a guy who will take a few years to learn his job.

[FootballMaestro]

You know, what the irony is with Shula as OC, and this debate/discussion???

 

Didn't Ron Ron hire him essentially, while running the Front office (with faux assistance from the young front office lackey, who's name escapes me at the moment)??

 

At that point both Hurney and Chud were gone.

 

You can make the argument, Rivera should have never been able to hire his own OC after Chud (since his hand was basically forced to change the offense 2nd half of 2012 after Hurney's firing), and this is the result of it.

 

Imagine if someone of Gettleman's caliber was able to make this move, when Ron was at his weakest?