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RR: OC Shula did a good job at end of the season

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teeray Rookie

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Shula's philosophy has always evolved around ball control, make no mistakes, pick up 4-5 yards per play, etc.

That is not a successful game plan in today's NFL. Why are we the only ones who see this!!!

I don't know. Seattle, Baltimore, and Giants have similar approach and they have had postseason success.

It is about being effecient. That is all that truly matters

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Ricky Spanish Grand Master

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I don't know. Seattle, Baltimore, and Giants have similar approach and they have had postseason success.

It is about being effecient. That is all that truly matters

 

All of those teams also have home-run abilities as well. Whether it be in play calling or play makers.

 

We lack both. 

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I don't know. Seattle, Baltimore, and Giants have similar approach and they have had postseason success.

It is about being effecient. That is all that truly matters

 

In Baltimore, Kubiak runs a successful stretch-zone run scheme.  Yes, it is designed to run, to set up the pass.  But the philosophy is eventually get large chunk yardage.  

 

In Seattle, Bevelle fluctuates between working off the play-action to capitalize large gains and a traditional West-Coast offense.  

Ben McAdoo in New York runs a hybrid west coast scheme and vertical attacking offense. which has not proven very effective.

 

How would you describe Shula?  

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Running the ball effectively does wonders.

 

Here's a scenario I'd throw out there for everyone:  a few inches.

 

Think about this, the NFL is a game of inches, and a lot of times guys were inches from making plays.  Say next year we get those inches.  We get those drops back.  Instead of barely scoring, we are back to being really efficient and scoring well.  With fewer drops, Cam's completion percentage goes north of 60%.  We are still able to run for over 150 yards per game and control the ball.  We continue to work on our 2 minute / No Huddle Offense.

 

Let's say we make the plays we "just' missed this year, and 2015 is more successful (Super Bowl?!?).

 

Does that change your opinion of Shula-Ball?  Or is it like any other system, dependent upon the execution?

 

I will probably get lambasted again for making an unpopular point.  I do think that Shula needs to go in order to get the most out of our players.  I'd love to see us actually attack a defense's weaknesses better and have some plays which allow guys to get open (like what we seem to see weekly...).

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In Baltimore, Kubiak runs a successful stretch-zone run scheme.  Yes, it is designed to run, to set up the pass.  But the philosophy is eventually get large chunk yardage.  

 

In Seattle, Bevelle fluctuates between working off the play-action to capitalize large gains and a traditional West-Coast offense.  

Ben McAdoo in New York runs a hybrid west coast scheme and vertical attacking offense. which has not proven very effective.

 

How would you describe Shula?  

 

To be honest our identity is pretty simple. We're an E-P offence with read option and more recently no huddle when required. At times we've actually run it quite successfully using long drives that eat the clock and cover fair distance very well.

 

The problem has simply been execution in the pass game and lack of creativity in the red zone. The execution looks a lot worse compared to all the high percentage passing WC offences that exist nowadays and especially this season with our WR lack of separation and Cam's accuracy issues (linked to injury and O line). You take a young offence with no chemistry and expect them to execute E-P, you get issues with timing and drops, exactly what we've seen this season. 

 

Accuracy, Speed and chemistry are the two things that we've lacked to execute the E-P more succesfully this season, If we address these with the O-Line and WRs with a full off-season for Cam I truly think this offence can be brutal next season. 

 

The only thing we can really get on Shula's back for is the Redzone problems, where play creativity comes in. Hopefully he works on red zone offence this off-season as "pass to score, run to win" doesn't really work if you cant pass in the endzone. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots_strategy - Read to understand more on E-P and its benefits. 

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Not really.

Against the Saints he did well, but so did everyone against that defense.

The other games were below average.

It was all personnel didn't you get the memo? Shula did great with the crappy personnel he was given right? Our ST was also all personnel. These couches are amazing. It's not like Ron knows them, their families and is lying to himself so he doesn't have to hurt a friends feelings.

I wonder what Ron's excuse will be after we have the personnel.

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raleigh-panther Grand Master

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I can't believe anybody would be surprised.

 

It takes mediocre to know mediocre.

 

The better teams to best teams in this league evolve.  Not the Panthers, let's just keep doing what we are doing becaues isn't everyone's desire a 7-9 record?  ...and we will throw in a few meaningless wins in December, you know, just to make sure its obtainable, that 7-9 record.

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