Realistically, what is the future of Shula?

[beastson]

How can a Denver (12-4 regular season) team let go of all their entire staff while Shula is still here after calling shitty plays????

 

Cause Panthers gonna Panther 

[MedellinHeel]

You assume that no one is telling Cam what to do and watching film with him daily. I think he has been told these things repeatedly but when he gets into the game he doesn't always do what he was told or taught.

BTW you think no one tells him to throw offf his front foot and step into the throw? I bet he hears it all the time. Doesn't mean he does it.

 

Its much harder to change muscle memory (footwork) than it is to simply cut out a read. If Cam can not even follow something as simple as that than I darn sure don't want to pour a ton of money into him. 

[MHS831]

Again some players did and some didn't. Kalil's was solid all year. Olsen was solid when thrown to. Remmers come in and plays at a high level right away. It took time for the offensive lineup gel once we sent guys like Silatolu and Chadker to the bench. It also took quite a while for Cam to develop chemistry with the receivers as he got no offseason work and was injured in the preseason.

I think that the coaches actiually did their best jobs this year turning this rag tag bunch into a decent team by season's end.

Did we send them to the bench or did they get injured?

 

To me, there are 2 things I wish Rivera did better.  1. game management   2. Personnel evaluation 

 

I think he has to be forced to change and when he does, he realizes that "the  answer was on the roster."

 

[MedellinHeel]

When guys are sucking they need to be benched and let the backups get a chance to prove their worth. Tired of needing injuries to get a better product on the field. 

[doghead28]

Unfortunately, he will be going nowhere. The special teams coach on the other hand may be fired.

[JARROD]

Id like a Kyle Shanahan or someone like that in here.  Get the ball out quick, have fast routes and spread plays where YAC happen.  

 

That was Auburn, thats Oregon and Philly with Chip, and to an extent thats Green Bay and even New England in spurts.

 

Get some fast routes open quick , ball out quick instead of slow developing routes.  There are still plenty of opportunities downfield in spurts.

 

Those types of routes consistently open stretch run plays a lot too,... hence Lesean McCoy, Frank Gore etc 

 

Just my thoughts. I just think that system would have helped Cam shine and have a much higher completion percentage, less mistakes.  It sure makes a lot of other average quarterbacks look good and good quarterbacks look "elite"

[panthers55]

Did we send them to the bench or did they get injured?

To me, there are 2 things I wish Rivera did better. 1. game management 2. Personnel evaluation

I think he has to be forced to change and when he does, he realizes that "the answer was on the roster."

Sometimes you know you don't have great guys in a certain position but you play who you have while you try and upgrade. What many erroneously call poor evaluation is simply using what you were given while you work with your projects and rookies to get them ready to play. He did one hell of a job taking these projects and molding them into a cohesive unit. Anyone who thought he could do it right out of camp doesn't have a clue about how long it takes to get a rookie ready to start at any position let alone a UDFA or a guy drafted late.

[DamnItJake!]

Heard the Jets want to interview him! 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Personally I think a few tweaks to the o is all that is needed

Shula gets a lot if blame but there's a lot of questions that need to be answered before I can condemn the man(who's putting bersin in, who's controlling the tempo, is Rivera the reason our o doesn't try and bust the scoreboard or Shula, is he really calling deep plays on 3rd and short or is the primary read covered?)

[thunderraiden]

How can a Denver (12-4 regular season) team let go of all their entire staff while Shula is still here after calling shitty plays????

 

Cause 40 year old QB.

[MHS831]

Sometimes you know you don't have great guys in a certain position but you play who you have while you try and upgrade. What many erroneously call poor evaluation is simply using what you were given while you work with your projects and rookies to get them ready to play. He did one hell of a job taking these projects and molding them into a cohesive unit. Anyone who thought he could do it right out of camp doesn't have a clue about how long it takes to get a rookie ready to start at any position let alone a UDFA or a guy drafted late.

 

I have made the same comment about the preparation part of his job.  These rookies and free agents were coached up, and putting them in prematurely could have been detrimental to their development.  When I say that RR is basically loyal to a fault, I never meant that he should have done so right out of camp, if that is what you are suggesting.  However,  it seems a bit ironic that, due to injury in most cases, the replacements that turned the OL and the team around were injected.  At what point were they better?  You don't know, I don't know.  And in fairness, Ron Rivera didn't know until his hand was forced.  That is not a dig--rookies have long been considered a necessary evil by most coaches.  To play them too early is dangerous to the team and the rookies' development.  

 

Now, I am not suggesting that he only replaced starters with developmental players when the starters were injured.  In some cases, the developmental players were injured.  When everyone was screaming for Harper's head on a platter, I wanted DeCoud out.  As soon as Boston was showing signs of being healthy and understanding the system, he replaced a healthy DeCoud (at least I think he was). 

 

People can give Gettlemen the credit for bringing in the youngsters who seemed to turn the season around, but Rivera & Co.  had to get them ready.  Hats off to RR for that.  Hey, if you can take players at the bottom of the draft, off other team's practice squads, or undrafted free agents and win with them, then the future is bright.  "You build a roster from the bottom up," --Dave Gettlemen.

[Nick_81]

So let me get this straight.   So now Cam's pick six was Shula's fault because KB wasn't in?????  Are you serious???

Christ, you're one of the worst on this board for taking poo out of context.  You just keep trying to "get this straight." I'm not wasting my time getting the point across.  

 

Not sure what kind of moron would even be thinking what you're saying in this quote...  Do you even read the string of replies?

[panthers55]

Christ, you're one of the worst on this board for taking poo out of context.  You just keep trying to "get this straight." I'm not wasting my time getting the point across.  

 

Not sure what kind of moron would even be thinking what you're saying in this quote...  Do you even read the string of replies?

Why not articulate your position like MHS831 did rather than resort to personal attacks. Contrary to what often happens on this board, there is a way to continue the discourse in a mature manner.

[Nick_81]

Why not articulate your position like MHS831 did rather than resort to personal attacks. Contrary to what often happens on this board, there is a way to continue the discourse in a mature manner.

Sigh...  That was the fourth time, in a single thread, where your reply was twisted to whatever agenda you have.  It was very clear what my position was.  I shouldn't have to draw up an outline, although I will, when you can easily press a button and go back to the conversations being quoted, and figure out for yourself what the point was.  

 

MCC was clearly questioning why they would replace KB on certain plays, then gave an example of 3rd and 10 in the red zone.  To which you replied, that he may need rest, and "Which receiver plays on every play??"  Condescending reply, and not what he was meaning, but whatever.  To which he replies that he understands that they need rest sometimes, but on crucial plays, such as the one he mentions, there's no reason for KB to not be on the field(can't disagree with that).  Your reply?  "Do you think they took KB out on purpose so they would not make a good play?  You guys act as if they are doing things to screw up on purpose."  Wow, again, condescending.  Not even close to what he was trying to say.  

 

So far, this is pretty easy to follow.  

 

I replied that I didn't think they took him out to "screw up on purpose," however, it's stupid not to have KB in the game, when in a situation like the one MCC mentions.  I didn't imply anywhere in there that Shula was at fault for the pick 6, and like I said, it would take a complete moron to think that...  I even said, "yeah, it was Cam's fault for throwing a bad pass."  Then I followed up by stating that if KB were in the game, in that crucial situation, the chances of having to make so many reads are minimized.  Bersin can't beat the press, KB can.  Bersin isn't getting separation with his size alone, KB is.  KB must be in the game, in certain situations, tired or not.

 

That was the whole freaking point to that string of conversation, yet in each reply you post, you say some condescending crap, that has little(mostly nothing) to do with what's being talked about.  There's not always some secret message within someone's statements.