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Realistically, what is the future of Shula?

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This is absolutely the case. I'd say there's a less than 10% chance Shula is canned. I doubt Gettleman wants to jump over Rivera to fire his coaches and it's very doubtful Rivera will fire him either. The only member of the coaching staff gone IMO is Rodgers.

Firing Rodgers is just throwing out a bone, it does nothing. Special teams is special teams, we didn't have a punt returner and either your kicker can make a FG or he can't, special teams is more player driven then coach driven, we NEED a new OC and new offensive philosophy, Jesus can we once be proactive instead of reactive

My honest opinion, I don't think Gman and Rivera have faith in Cam's mental ability to learn a new offensive system in one off season, it's not what I think, it's what I think the coaches think. New OCs are brought in all the time and you see QBs thrive because of it, Rivera and Gman don't want to risk Cam learning a new system

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Obviously several changes need to take place this offseason regarding the offense, and of course, changes will be made from the personnel side as always. From reading this forum, it is clear that amongst us fans, Shula is no longer wanted here by most and a change at the OC position would be welcoming and a fresh start.....Will the Panthers have the balls to let Shula go even after a late season rally by our team? I have the feeling most NFL organizations would. Unfortunately, I feel we may be content with him given our finish to the season... Thoughts?

I don't know. When I watch the Panthers offense I see an efficient offense that is focused on playing complementary football to support the defense. I see a coaches that work with and believe in Cam and cater the offense for him. 

 

Efficiency and playing complementary football is important. I imagine that a Ron Rivera or any defensive minded head coach will have a mandate to the OC to protect the defense/lean more towards running the ball/ball control.

 

I like to lean on advance stats like Football Outsiders/Pro Football focus to add meaningful statistical context to what I see on the field. Looking at efficiency...

 

I think we would all agree this year was a poor year for personnel with the WRs corp and OL and Cam being injured? Yet despite all that the Shula led offense still ranked 20th in efficiency by comparison my team(Washington) had imho far better skill position players and equal if not better OL finished just 28th, 4th from last.

 

The previous 2 seasons the Shula led offense finished 10th in efficiency.

 

Also, not to be undersold Shula plays the offense to Cam's strengths while at the same time progressing Cam into a rhythm drop back passer. Not every team has this benefit, the grass isn't always greener. Jay Gruden came to Washington and forced Griffin into a predominantly drop back offense and did very little to cater his offense to Griffin.

 

Realistically I think its a long shot that Shula gets canned and if he did I fully believe he would find a job in a heart beat.

 

                                                                                                                       

For those that want Shula gone....just out of curiosity...hypothetically speaking....who do you want as OC?

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Firing Rodgers is just throwing out a bone, it does nothing. Special teams is special teams, we didn't have a punt returner and either your kicker can make a FG or he can't, special teams is more player driven then coach driven

 

While some of that is true, we also had two blocked punts returned for touchdowns a couple of weeks ago and just this weekend had a player perfectly time his run and jump over our line on back to back field goal attempts.  You never see that happen to anybody else so obviously something we are doing is very predictable and that is on the coaching.

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Firing Rodgers is just throwing out a bone, it does nothing. Special teams is special teams, we didn't have a punt returner and either your kicker can make a FG or he can't, special teams is more player driven then coach driven, we NEED a new OC and new offensive philosophy, Jesus can we once be proactive instead of reactive

My honest opinion, I don't think Gman and Rivera have faith in Cam's mental ability to learn a new offensive system in one off season, it's not what I think, it's what I think the coaches think. New OCs are brought in all the time and you see QBs thrive because of it, Rivera and Gman don't want to risk Cam learning a new system

 

Exactly. Do we really need to sit through a painful disastrous season in order to get change? Surely people high in the organization can see that play-calling was abysmal this year and we have been pathetic in the red zone under Shula year after year. He's been doing this poo for two whole decades. How he is still a coordinator in this league is beyond me.

 

Why is this organization so content with mediocrity? Surely they JR and DG see that change should happen now. We cannot waste the prime years of this young nucleus we have. I figured Shula's termination would've been announced first thing this morning. Every day that goes by and he's still our OC makes me lose more and more faith in the people making the decisions for this team.

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How any coordinators from teams that won a playoff game get fired? Doesn't seem very likely.

 

Why does everyone think winning a single playoff game is some huge accomplishment? We lucked into a home playoff game vs a sinking ship of a team plagued with injuries and starting a JV QB. If we would've lost that game it would've been a downright embarrassment.

 

I don't think they earned a pat on the back doing the things they're suppose to do. What are we striving for? Do we want to be like the Bengals and make the playoffs regularly with no shot at winning? Or are we trying to win championships?

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These aren't my personal feelings, but what are the CONS to firing Shula. Just trying to play devil's advocate on why he wouldn't be fired when it seems like an obvious decision to most of us. Feel free to chime in....

*Assume he and Cam are close since he was QB coach before

*New system for offense

*3rd OC in Cam's 5th year is bad

*why fire a playoff game winning OC?

*He didn't really have the weapons to run his system properly

That's all I got.

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Why does everyone think winning a single playoff game is some huge accomplishment? We lucked into a home playoff game vs a sinking ship of a team plagued with injuries and starting a JV QB. If we would've lost that game it would've been a downright embarrassment.

I don't think they earned a pat on the back doing the things they're suppose to do. What are we striving for? Do we want to be like the Bengals and make the playoffs regularly with no shot at winning? Or are we trying to win championships?

I don't think everyone thinks that. I was just asking a question. Try not to be so argumentative right off the bat.

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These aren't my personal feelings, but what are the CONS to firing Shula. Just trying to play devil's advocate on why he wouldn't be fired when it seems like an obvious decision to most of us. Feel free to chime in....

*Assume he and Cam are close since he was QB coach before

*New system for offense

*3rd OC in Cam's 5th year is bad

*why fire a playoff game winning OC?

*He didn't really have the weapons to run his system properly

That's all I got.

 

Cam has regressed

The system isn't very good, changing it now while the team is still young will be better for the future

3rd times the charm

defense won that playoff game, not the offense

guy has 2 probowl caliber RB's, steve smith, olsen, cam fuging newton  and still had problems finding the endzone during his tenure.

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Cam has regressed

The system isn't very good, changing it now while the team is still young will be better for the future

3rd times the charm

defense won that playoff game, not the offense

guy has 2 probowl caliber RB's, steve smith, olsen, cam fuging newton and still had problems finding the endzone during his tenure.

Thanks a-hole. Maybe try reading my post before telling me what I already know.

You must be drunk at the tailgate already.

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These aren't my personal feelings, but what are the CONS to firing Shula. Just trying to play devil's advocate on why he wouldn't be fired when it seems like an obvious decision to most of us. Feel free to chime in....

*Assume he and Cam are close since he was QB coach before

*New system for offense

*3rd OC in Cam's 5th year is bad

*why fire a playoff game winning OC?

*He didn't really have the weapons to run his system properly

That's all I got.

 

 

I don't think everyone thinks that. I was just asking a question. Try not to be so argumentative right off the bat.

 

 

I just think there has got to be a better answer out there. There has to be an offensive mind that can take Cam's talents and create a prolific offense.

 

I just don't understand how teams like the Redskins, Dolphins, Bengals, Eagles throw for more yards than us when their QBs don't even compare to Cam. I think about what Chip Kelly could do with Cam in his system.

 

I feel like good coaches take the talent they have and maximize their talents to get the most production. They fit their schemes around what their players do best. I feel like our coaches bring in guys and force them into our outdated ground and pound conservative football. They keep trying to put square pegs in a round hole. The NFL has evolved over the last decade.

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