So what does Gettleman do with Cam?

[ENC Pantherfan]

What makes him better in your opinion?  Just trying to help out DG here

 

 

Cam is more of a consistent thrower and can actually go through his reads unlike Kap.  As for Dalton he consistently underachieves despite the fact he has a near elite offense around him. If Cam was on the Bengals, we would be talking about how the Bengals are a powerhouse. 

[cgarsmoker]

We are lucky to have a guy who averages 7.5 wins per season? 5 this season.

Admit it, you are a Cam fan even if we never make the playoffs again and want him paid like he is winning championships.

I just don't agree. Would rather make the team a winner. If Cam plays at a certain level, then he should get paid at a certain level. Same with every other player.

Once you start giving Hurney like contracts, ie, our RB's, then you screw your team for years.

Cam gonna count 14 million toward next years cap? That is plenty, lets see how it works out.

Just curious....Drew Brees won 18 games over the past two seasons compared to 17 wins for Newton (Cam missed both Tampa games which could have padded his stats a little more). Does Brees play at a satisfactory level? Matt Ryan won 11 games the past two seasons....Should the Falcons dump his sorry ass? LOL

Using the average wins per year to judge a QB is very simplistic approach to justify your "Cam sucks and isn't a winner" agenda. Of course, first ever back to back playoffs appearances and division titles doesn't help your case so we can pretend that stuff never happened.

During our 6 games losing streak this year, Cam didn't play very well. Missing camp, ankle surgery, and fractured ribs may have contributed to his poor play but Cam isn't allowed any excuses so I'll concede he was bad. The offensive line was bad......The defense was bad....Special teams were bad.....Coaching/game plans were questioned.... And we were bringing in RBs off the street and PS because our top 3 backs were injured. There was a lot wrong with our team and a lot of reasons we were struggling but according to your "Cams not a winner....average wins per year theory", we lost those games so Cam sucks. I think the most casual fan understands the 3 phases of the game; offense, defense, and special teams so the QB isn't solely responsible for wins or losses. Yet.....your reasoning for Cam sucks is average wins per year. I think it's pretty obvious the bias a lot of Panther fans have against Cam so I'll say what most Haters don't have the balls to admit. If you can't handle the truth....stop reading now.

Cam is a great athlete and a very good QB. The problem is......he isn't good the way you want him to be good. You want a skill set different from what Cam has to offer. You want Jake Delhomme, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck types that passes for a 3rd and 10 first down instead of scrambling for it like Cam does. Yes we got the first down but all you Trent Dilfer types have to complain because it didn't happen via a pocket pass like the golden age of yesteryear. Cam has a lot of areas he can improve. I'm the first to say he needs to get more consistent but he's never going to be one of your iconic golden boys, standing in the pocket with defenders draped over him as he fires downfield. He's a nontraditional QB so please stop bashing him because he's different and just enjoy our recent success.

[Squirrel]

Kap comp percentage 60.5

Dalton  64.2

Cam  58.5

 

 

 

Yeah no

 

 

[Floppin]

Kap comp percentage 60.5

Dalton 64.2

Cam 58.5

Yeah no

Completely different offensive systems. The AC attack that shula employs will always have a lower comp percentage than a wco or ep system.

This isn't a good argument, in other words.

[stirs]

Most fans love their team, same here.

 

I, however, do not want to sign "double trouble" to big time deals, the rest of the board loved it.

 

Same with Cam, I look at numbers, like wins, passing percentage, 3rd and long, etc., not just the "passing records" numbers that all the fans quote day in and day out.

 

At the end of the day, I would still take a wait and see with Cam. being responsible for 5 wins, 8 losses and a tie going into a mega contract might not be good for him either.  I am sure he would rather have had better numbers.

 

i am sure he wishes he could learn to slide while not giving his body up to injury, especially when his legs seem to be his saving grace rather than his arm.

 

For all the highlights, there are drawbacks

For all the good numbers, there are bad numbers

 

Just give it another year and lets see if the 5th year gets him the big money payday

[CamCan]

Most fans love their team, same here.

 

I, however, do not want to sign "double trouble" to big time deals, the rest of the board loved it.

 

Same with Cam, I look at numbers, like wins, passing percentage, 3rd and long, etc., not just the "passing records" numbers that all the fans quote day in and day out.

 

At the end of the day, I would still take a wait and see with Cam. being responsible for 5 wins, 8 losses and a tie going into a mega contract might not be good for him either.  I am sure he would rather have had better numbers.

 

i am sure he wishes he could learn to slide while not giving his body up to injury, especially when his legs seem to be his saving grace rather than his arm.

 

For all the highlights, there are drawbacks

For all the good numbers, there are bad numbers

 

Just give it another year and lets see if the 5th year gets him the big money payday

If you wait, you're only going to have to pay him more. It's not like this team will let him go, so just pay him now.

[d-dave]

I'd be very careful with Cam this off season.  I think it would be idiotic for him to accept a Kap/Dalton pay by year contract. Cam is much better than both of those guys.  Folks will talk about stats and stuff, but I'm big on context.  

 

Sure, Dalton and Kap might have some better situational stats.  I have a couple of questions for those who feel like Cam, Kap and Dalton are interchangeable:  

1.  Who do you want out of the three of those?

2.  How would you go out and get either one of them in exchange for Cam?

3.  What about them would make them more successful here?

 

Kap and Dalton have some major problems which I don't see as much with Cam.  Kap's ability to fully read the field is limited.  Unless he can run for 100+ yards, Kap isn't a guy who can carry your team.  When he's put in a situation where he can run, he's incredibly successful.  Force him to pass, and he struggles.

 

Dalton lacks arm strength and the "it" factor.  Dalton can make NFL throw, but it's not like a laser beam.  When he's able to loft the ball to places he can be really accurate, but it's not consistent.  I don't think Dalton trusts his arm to be able to beat anyone.  Then look at the play offs.  That's the ultimate "IT" time, and he folds.  He's terrible in the playoffs.  I want someone who can lead me to a super bowl, not just one and done in the play offs annually.

 

Now I will freely admit to a large degree of homer-ism in this case.  I am a Panther fan after all.  I feel like Cam is my QB.  I feel like if there's going to be a guy to win me a Super Bowl, it's Cam Newton.  Is he a $25/million a year QB?  Not yet.  But he's definitely a $18/million a year guy with escalators.

 

Finally, let's look big picture here, but where else can we get a franchise QB?  Who will be ready to compete for championships?  Where are they?  In the modern NFL, you choose your guy or you move on ASAP.  Cam is our guy, or else we're rebuilding again.  We're not going to rebuild.  This is Cam's team, and it's going to be up to him for everyone to keep their jobs (coaches and GM).

[the butch]

Long term, middle of the road with escalators based on individual performance.

[cgarsmoker]

I'd be very careful with Cam this off season. I think it would be idiotic for him to accept a Kap/Dalton pay by year contract. Cam is much better than both of those guys. Folks will talk about stats and stuff, but I'm big on context.

Sure, Dalton and Kap might have some better situational stats. I have a couple of questions for those who feel like Cam, Kap and Dalton are interchangeable:

1. Who do you want out of the three of those?

2. How would you go out and get either one of them in exchange for Cam?

3. What about them would make them more successful here?

Kap and Dalton have some major problems which I don't see as much with Cam. Kap's ability to fully read the field is limited. Unless he can run for 100+ yards, Kap isn't a guy who can carry your team. When he's put in a situation where he can run, he's incredibly successful. Force him to pass, and he struggles.

Dalton lacks arm strength and the "it" factor. Dalton can make NFL throw, but it's not like a laser beam. When he's able to loft the ball to places he can be really accurate, but it's not consistent. I don't think Dalton trusts his arm to be able to beat anyone. Then look at the play offs. That's the ultimate "IT" time, and he folds. He's terrible in the playoffs. I want someone who can lead me to a super bowl, not just one and done in the play offs annually.

Now I will freely admit to a large degree of homer-ism in this case. I am a Panther fan after all. I feel like Cam is my QB. I feel like if there's going to be a guy to win me a Super Bowl, it's Cam Newton. Is he a $25/million a year QB? Not yet. But he's definitely a $18/million a year guy with escalators.

Finally, let's look big picture here, but where else can we get a franchise QB? Who will be ready to compete for championships? Where are they? In the modern NFL, you choose your guy or you move on ASAP. Cam is our guy, or else we're rebuilding again. We're not going to rebuild. This is Cam's team, and it's going to be up to him for everyone to keep their jobs (coaches and GM).

I completely agree with you about Cam. The kid has room to improve so there is still plenty of upside to his game. Excellent post!!

[Panthro]

Kap comp percentage 60.5

Dalton  64.2

Cam  58.5

 

 

 

Yeah no

[Nick_81]

Joe Person ‏@josephperson  2m2 minutes agoCharlotte, NC

.@tomsorensen says Cam Newton is a $20 million a year gamble #Panthers have to make. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/11/5440544/sorensen-panthers-newton-is-a.html#.VLPVTXsaq7Y …

 

 

Cam Newton is among the most popular athletes in Charlotte and is unquestionably the most polarizing.

Some fans are mesmerized by what he can do. Others are hung up on what he can’t.

Newton’s detractors make more noise. There are fans of the Carolina Panthers who wake up looking for reasons to criticize the quarterback. They find them. “Saw Newton sitting on the bench, he had a white towel on his head and he did not appear to be talking to teammates. Therefore, he is evil.”

Newton made some nice plays Saturday in Carolina’s 14-point NFC divisional-round playoff loss at Seattle. He drove the offense downfield against extremely fast and smart defenders at a stadium full of noise.

He also mangled a handoff that led to a Seattle touchdown and threw two interceptions, the second of which was returned 90 yards for a touchdown. The fourth-quarter interception ended any hope the Panthers had to pull the upset. Their only hope was to make as few or fewer mistakes than their more-talented opponent.

Newton, 25, is tethered to the Panthers for one more season. But then what? Do they let him take his talents elsewhere? Or do they commit major money to retain him?

I don’t see a choice. The Panthers have several talented employees in the front office and locker room that they can replace if they have to. Newton is not one of them.

Offering him franchise quarterback money, $100 million, say, is a gamble.

Newton obviously has the physical gifts to meet franchise-quarterback requirements. But he’s more than an athlete. He improved markedly this season at working from the pocket and finding secondary receivers. He also emerged as a leader. You saw it during training camp. You saw it during the team’s six-game losing streak. His line was abysmal. Yet he never complained, gestured or whined. When he did criticize, he criticized his own work.

I’d take the gamble. I’d bet on Newton.

Will Newton bet on the Panthers?

Most of us are true to our traditions. Carolina’s tradition would have been to sign Newton after the 2013 season. It didn’t. This suggests uncertainty. But is that uncertainty the team’s or Team Newton’s?

No matter who plays quarterback, the Panthers have to upgrade their offense. They need at least one tackle and they might need two. You see Seattle’s line? Carolina had to blitz to get to Russell Wilson, and when it did the polished, 26-year-old quarterback thrived.

The Panthers also require a receiver. Philly Brown, a rookie, was not drafted, which perhaps is the reason so many seem to doubt him. The guy has big-time speed and good hands. Stick him in the slot and find a burner to complement Greg Olsen and Kelvin Benjamin.

The Panthers also could devise a Newton-friendly offense, incorporating check-downs and timing routes. Give him more time to throw and more receivers to throw to and the possibilities are intriguing.

The Panthers can’t ask Newton for a hometown discount. He’s from Atlanta.

But we live in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world. If they ask nicely, maybe the Panthers can get a discount for Newton’s three turnovers in the last game anybody remembers.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2015/01/11/5440544/sorensen-panthers-newton-is-a.html#.VLPVTXsaq7Y#storylink=cpy

 

[heel31ok]

Cam continuously takes the blame for things that are out of his control. Cam continuously takes a beating because of a lack of protection. Cam has been hung out to dry by this organization so far, unless DG finally addresses are needs then why on earth should Cam give this organization a discount?

 

whether he should or not is his decision but I don't think there is any other choice from the Panthers side.

 

[Silent Majority]

How about instead of 'homers' look at the comparison of the ownership, front office, coaching staffs, free agent and draft moves of the three organizations

You all pick out the QBs and go. 'see there is our problem right there. Get rid of Newton and all our problems will be fixed.'

Carolina has sucked it time and time again in the QB arena. do you know how many times Fox/hurney passed on QBs?

The Panthers have failed many times in their handling of cap situations, player evaluations, and coaching decisions and yet all of our woes are laid at the feet of Cam Newton. From the infamous Sean Gilbert fiasco to the handling of Steve smith to trying to make people believe that Byron bell and Nate Chandler are legitimate tackles in the NFL

Forgive my rant but I have followed this team for 20 years and they still can't do the most obvious things and the fan base continues to point to one player when it's an organizational issue. Will Gettleman fix it, who knows but if does not force a change in offensive staff and special teams staff, there is the answer.

This should be the best answer.

[Davidson Deac II]

IMO, Cam is a good enough quarterback to win when the team puts a quality offense around him, and I think that we should make every effort to sign him to a long term contract.  The question is can we pay him what he is willing to accept and still afford to surround him with enough talent to win consistently?  Guess we will find out in the next few years.