The difference in the game

[Navy_football]

The difference in the game was primarily a lack of pressure from the carolinas front four on third downs. Second was the fumble on the handoff exchange from cam to stewart.

 

Agreed.

 

But I'd add YAC from our receivers in 1on1 opportunities and Tolbert's 3rd down drop. That was a killer.

[Navy_football]

Luke Wilson is good, but Olsen is better.

Kearse is better at WR than everybody we have but KB.

Richardson has the speed and hands.

At BEST, you can say we have comparable weapons....but we all know that isn't true just by watching that game.

 

Luke Wilson looked like an All Pro last night.

[mcdougal]

Haven't read past the OP but this is ALWAYS been Panthers ball since Delhomme. I marvel when I watch Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Romo, Stafford, etc. Wide open WRs time and time again. Delhomme and Cam are always throwing it in tight and sans a few Smitty superplays there is rarely YAC. I think it's our team philosophy and you obviously know who I blame for that.

 

Not sure the Panthers got a single YAC last night...every yard in the passing game comes off right arm of Newton. You know have a bad group when every single screen or short pass in the middle of the field goes for nothing.

 

The only time in recent memory we got some YAC was Fozzy's TD.

[FootballMaestro]

I mentioned this in the chat during the game several times, so some of you are probably tired of hearing it, but here it is anyway.

Look at Wilson's completions. Most are to ridiculously wide open receivers. Now look at Cam's throws, save for I think 3 of them. Into coverage. Fairly tight-to-really tight coverage, at that. Not because he's making bad choices...that's just what our offense gives him. Having to throw near defenders and hope his guy makes the play.

That's the difference. That's why all but one of the INTs happened (that first deep one was just a prayer, and Philly didn't even attempt to fight for it). Throwing near defenders because it's all he can do. It's all that's there for him.

So, the motto for the season here continues: Fire Shula. Guy screwed us all year. We have zero creativity and zero explosiveness, by design.

Also, a big factor in this game was Shula running the ball down their throat that lead to a TD, then abandoning that idea entirely. Shula has shown in this game all that is wrong with him. It took him 3 possessions to stop calling plays scared. Then, once he saw what works...he avoided doing that and just started airing the ball out. This gets the defense expecting pass, which leads to them jumping routes.

We need better pass rush, and better design on pass rush so that we still keep receivers covered, but that's a whole other thread....

 

Basically, what you're saying is: The Hawks design schemes to get there receivers open, and make it easier on their QB,  particularly on third down.

 

Meanwhile, the Newton has to sit in the pocket and dissect the defense, throwing into tight windows, against the best defense in the league on the road.

 

I've always noticed. Cam is good enough to sit in the pocket and throw (though most Huddler's don't recognize how much credit he should get for this), particularly on third down. However, sometimes you need to run a play to fool the defense, to take the pressure off your QB or Running back.

 

Most of Wilson's throws, are short; timing routes; bootlegs, and toss ups. He rarely sits in the pocket and dissects the defense. He's a one read, at most 2 read QB. He's really not nearly as developed a QB (certainly not traditional) as many make him out to be. However, his OC/play calling makes him look good. Kudos to him and Bevell!

 

Seattle, also also got great field position today, compared to the Panthers. This can effect the play calling as well.

 

[mav1234]

Panthers have better weapons than Seattle...I don't know who'd rather have Luke Wilson, Kearse, and whoever the hell else they have at WR....our passing weapons are actually better the difference is the QB...

 

Scheme, play calls, coordinator, coaching... Nothing to do with it?

[d-dave]

I saw the main difference as a few inches here and there. KBs foot on the missed TD. Lake's hand on a pass here. A finer there...

Basically the Seahawks made the plays we didn't. The coaches there planned a better game and their players executed it. Also, their defensive players are way better than our offensive players...

[FootballMaestro]

You are on to something but it's not just great offensive play calling. Its great preparation and decision making. All three Russell Wilson touchdowns came against the blitz. On the last one Wilson sees Kuechly drop and Jones blitz and he doesn't even need to look, he knows Luke Willson is wide open. The ball is out of his hands before the pressure can get near him. 

 

The first touchdown was the same thing. The Panthers blitz and Wilson throws it up rookie vs. vet in the endzone. We could have blitzed 10 guys, it didn't matter. The ball was out immediately.

 

If there is one weakness for Cam, he doesn't throw until the receiver is open. By the time the ball arrives, it's too late. Is Shula not developing him? Or is Cam not pulling the trigger? The Panthers don't trust the oline so we keep in our backs and tight ends way too much. It invites pressure, like hiding behind the walls of the Alamo. Cam is not going to have open targets when three guys run routes vs. 6 defenders. 

 

So I am stuck wondering, does Cam not have a complete understanding of the defense? Does he react to what he sees or anticipates it? And what role has Shula played in his development or lack there of.

 

The difference: Wilson's, throwing off timing routes and patterns.

 

Newton's, actually watching and reading the defense.

 

That's the difference.  Wilson rarely keeps the ball past one, certainly not past his second read (unless he has all day to throw, scrambling around) in general. That's what you're seeing.

[pstall]

Wilson put the ball in places a baby would catch it. One over perfect coverage.

When it matters most Wilson is in total command.

[Montsta]

So opponents receivers are seemingly wide open every single game, and that's our offenses problem?

[pstall]

You can't turn it over in the playoffs and expect to win. You for sure can't in the red zone.

I'm not surprised at the game. We have some areas to tweak and should be better.

[Pondmanmark]

It is ok to disagree, but can we do so on an adult level?

 

Are you REALLY serious with the poo posted here ???   REALLY ?

[mbarbour21]

Yeah, we get it.

Wilson's OC sets him up to look good, and doesn't ask him to do much.

Newton on the other hands, carries the load, and his OC doesn't know how to lessen it/fool the defense.

Newton's always got to make spectacular throws, or work away from the defense to get it off. So of course he's going to make more mistakes this way. However, Wilson's never asked to do what Newton does.

Plus, the Panther "D" was ass today, and just got out schemed by Seattle.

Yeh, the comparison of Wilson-Cam remind me of the whole Peterson-Sherman debate. One is just not simply asked to do as much as the other, but they are extremely talented regardless.

[QueensKing]

The difference in the game.

 

Coaching- Seattle

Defense- Seattle

Special teams- Seattle

Offense- close, but their playmakers made plays, ours didn't

 

They have 3 All-Pro defensive backs, and we have Bersin, Philly Brown, and Cotchery.  We lose those matchups every single time.  Olsen and KB are good, but not better than those guys.  We were at a severe disadvantage.

 

We have gotten absolutely nothing on special teams.  When's the last time there wasn't a fair catch.  That's playing with a severe disadvantage.

 

We had Shula, against the best defense in the league, while also undermanned.

 

I for one was extremely impressed with some of the throws Cam made, he throws lasers, and has no room for error on his passes.  Watch other teams, when is the last time he had a clean pocket and a wide open receiver.  I am so jealous of Rodgers and Luck especially having so much time and speedy receivers with separation to throw to multiple times a game.

 

Why can't our skill players break tackles?  We have to be last in YAC, it's horrible.  Olsen is great, but can't break a game open, KB doesn't, and the rest of our receivers shouldn't be on the field as much as they are.  We need a game breaker, someone that must be schemed for, a dynamic player other than Cam and Stew.  A kick returner, punt returner, and someone who takes the safety out of the play. 

 

LOB made Peyton Manning look  much worse, with far superior talent.  The failings of some "fans" who blame Cam and are trying to run him out of time just affirm how stupid this fanbase is.  We don't know what good football looks like, we just watch sportscenter highlights and think that everyone else is amazing all the time.  We can surely find a great QB with the 25th pick, or in free agency. 

[raleigh-panther]

Wilson > Newton and its not that close

 

 

Seattle's  roster, team philosophy coaches, front office, general manager, scouts, drafts, > the Panthers and its not even close