The difference in the game

[JawnyBlaze]

Eh I think we have a misunderstanding.

I meant that with what we have from the top down (coaches and players). We did the best we have. There is no doubt that there needs to be some personnel chsnges.

Like I said in my above post, we have some great plays in our play book (even ones that you are mentioning), we just don't have a guy that knows when to call them at the right time.

 

Ah, thought you were saying it was a talent problem and not a coaching problem.  I think it's about 60-40 coaching vs talent problem.  Desperately need talent at LT and one more WR, but other than that we're rock solid on the offense.  Might wanna spend a pick in the not distant future on a C too, Kalil ain't going anywhere soon but I have a hunch he's closer to the end than the beginning....

 

[Snake]

We definately need speed. Also depth

Most teams have some real legit raw dudes as the 4 spot. We have Bersin

 

This is our biggest problem. A problem we have had for as long as I can remember.

[2jakefansinva]

Boston's TD happened because of the play design and what we were doing. Pretty sure we blitzed heavy there. There was a crossing route underneath. I think he was either trying to play both by taking that step forward so he had momentum while staying close to the deep threat, using the back of the endzone as an added defender, or he was expecting Wilson to take off and knew he was the last resort to stop him. Either way, he got pinned up, got caught peeking in the backfield, and when he realized the WR was going deep, he couldn't get his hips turned to recover.

OL sucked. Stew was churning out yards with nothing but sheer force of will. Couldn't keep Cam protected most of the night. Like you said, his awareness avoided numerous sacks. Probably the best I've ever seen Cam in the pocket for a whole game. Guy was on fire. Just a shame we don't have but two real receiving options, KB and Olsen.

Where were the screens? Ran em early. Surprised we didn't see more. Where were the double move routes once corners started jumping inside routes? Where were the crossing routes to generate picks and get receivers more open?

All of these things are basic offensive football for this league...we don't do any of them.

 

you should really explore a career in coaching an NFL Football team.

[heel31ok]

First TD, a terrible lobber that only got caught because Boston got caught peeking in the backfield and not getting himself into position.

The one-hand grab was a little luck mixed with a shove off (and wasn't a great throw either, as without the shove off, would have been broken up pretty easily, even after Bene got beat on the route initially. Hell, even with the shove off, it was an inch or two away from being tipped away).

The other was a wide open receiver.

Wilson does a really good job in what they ask him to do. He is a good QB. To assert that he's just a world beater? Or as good/better than Cam? Ridiculous and unfounded and contradictory to the evidence.

 

the one hand catch was a perfect throw and the rec had no choice but to catch it with one had, in reality the ball just stuck in the one hand.that was all Wilson.

 

[lightsout]

you should really explore a career in coaching an NFL Football team.

As I'm sure this was sarcasm, if I thought the Panthers would hire somebody to call the offense with only 1 year of coaching experience at the high school level, I'd put in my application tomorrow. And do a better job than Shula. Generally, I give it to the NFL coaches in a general sense. They know more than us and are much better versed in the game than we are. They understand the nuances of the game far better than any of us armchair coaches; however, one look at this offense, and I can tell you that myself and many others on this board would be able to call a more competent offense than Shula ever has and develop some since of an identity through a 16 game season, as Shula has failed to do in 2 years.

[JARROD]

Difference?

KAM CHANCELLOR. Period. He doesnt play, half of cams passes where not thrown under duress and that int return doesnt happen.

that was a great throw. Kam is just a badass

[Brooklyn Bully]

Haven't read past the OP but this is ALWAYS been Panthers ball since Delhomme. I marvel when I watch Manning, Rodgers, Brees, Romo, Stafford, etc. Wide open WRs time and time again. Delhomme and Cam are always throwing it in tight and sans a few Smitty superplays there is rarely YAC. I think it's our team philosophy and you obviously know who I blame for that.

[CarolinaSamurai]

No penetration from the front 4. Without them rushing the QB he has time to get in good passes and gives his receivers time to get open. Our win streak was all about the pass rush, without it our secondary can't get great opportunities, luke and davis can't cover the middle as well, it just breaks down. Without hurries, sacks, and pressure our D falls apart like it did.

[JARROD]

I dont think our D fell apart. The Kearse touchdown Bene was down there all over him. It was a great over the shoulder touch pass by Russell.

 

We held Marshawn to 59 yards and forced a fumble..

 

When Bene got hurt, white was playing and THAT HURT. White had some good plays but on that touchdown, he was Wayyyyyy out of position-- Harper and Norman tried but too far away.  Harper was laying into White so he was not where he was supposed to be. And hes slow compared to Bene. Bene is the man,... he ran down Richardson who was I believe the fastest 40 by a receiver at the combine(i know someone will go look that up-- but hes fast) and broke up that for sure touchdown.

 

The second touchdown after the fumble(just a stupid read option keep or take error) was on a really short field, the defense sold out on the beast mode run.  It happens.

 

SO the defense did pressure, sack and harass Russell for much of the game.  take back the fumble and Kam Chancellors impossible gorilla touchdown and it was anyones game at the end.

[Pondmanmark]

Panthers have better weapons than Seattle...I don't know who'd rather have Luke Wilson, Kearse, and whoever the hell else they have at WR....our passing weapons are actually better the difference is the QB...

               MORON ALERT !    MORON ALERT !  MORON ALERT !  MORON ALERT ! MORON ALERT !

[Pox 08]

lol......someone said we have better weapons than Seattle.

 

 

Seattle receivers dragging our defenders 10 yards down the field.

[MHS831]

I mentioned this in the chat during the game several times, so some of you are probably tired of hearing it, but here it is anyway.

Look at Wilson's completions. Most are to ridiculously wide open receivers. Now look at Cam's throws, save for I think 3 of them. Into coverage. Fairly tight-to-really tight coverage, at that. Not because he's making bad choices...that's just what our offense gives him. Having to throw near defenders and hope his guy makes the play.

That's the difference. That's why all but one of the INTs happened (that first deep one was just a prayer, and Philly didn't even attempt to fight for it). Throwing near defenders because it's all he can do. It's all that's there for him.

So, the motto for the season here continues: Fire Shula. Guy screwed us all year. We have zero creativity and zero explosiveness, by design.

Also, a big factor in this game was Shula running the ball down their throat that lead to a TD, then abandoning that idea entirely. Shula has shown in this game all that is wrong with him. It took him 3 possessions to stop calling plays scared. Then, once he saw what works...he avoided doing that and just started airing the ball out. This gets the defense expecting pass, which leads to them jumping routes.

We need better pass rush, and better design on pass rush so that we still keep receivers covered, but that's a whole other thread....

 

Cam made some solid passes.  His timing is still off, but when it isn't, when his feet are right, he is deadly. 

Having said that, you cannot turn the ball over.  When Stew and Cam fumbled, it was due to the fact that our LT decided to block out, when there were no Seahawks in the area.  What was he doing?   Even if you have outside responsibility, you step down into the gap and punch.  That is all we needed, but Bell is not a smart player.  That 7 points costs us the game because you can't fall behind in Seattle.  Of course, Bell would surrender a key sack at the worst time possible later in the game because that has been his trademark this year.

 

I would say the reason we lost is as follows:

 

Turnovers.  We needed zero to win.

Inexperience.  They went after our rookies and were successful.  However, I am not blaming them--it took some great passes to beat them.

Byron Bell--Now an UFA, let the bidding begin.

 

 

[MHS831]

               MORON ALERT !    MORON ALERT !  MORON ALERT !  MORON ALERT ! MORON ALERT !

 

It is ok to disagree, but can we do so on an adult level?

 

[KendrickPanther]

You are on to something but it's not just great offensive play calling. Its great preparation and decision making. All three Russell Wilson touchdowns came against the blitz. On the last one Wilson sees Kuechly drop and Jones blitz and he doesn't even need to look, he knows Luke Willson is wide open. The ball is out of his hands before the pressure can get near him. 

 

The first touchdown was the same thing. The Panthers blitz and Wilson throws it up rookie vs. vet in the endzone. We could have blitzed 10 guys, it didn't matter. The ball was out immediately.

 

If there is one weakness for Cam, he doesn't throw until the receiver is open. By the time the ball arrives, it's too late. Is Shula not developing him? Or is Cam not pulling the trigger? The Panthers don't trust the oline so we keep in our backs and tight ends way too much. It invites pressure, like hiding behind the walls of the Alamo. Cam is not going to have open targets when three guys run routes vs. 6 defenders. 

 

So I am stuck wondering, does Cam not have a complete understanding of the defense? Does he react to what he sees or anticipates it? And what role has Shula played in his development or lack there of.

 

 

 

I mentioned this in the chat during the game several times, so some of you are probably tired of hearing it, but here it is anyway.

Look at Wilson's completions. Most are to ridiculously wide open receivers. Now look at Cam's throws, save for I think 3 of them. Into coverage. Fairly tight-to-really tight coverage, at that. Not because he's making bad choices...that's just what our offense gives him. Having to throw near defenders and hope his guy makes the play.

That's the difference. That's why all but one of the INTs happened (that first deep one was just a prayer, and Philly didn't even attempt to fight for it). Throwing near defenders because it's all he can do. It's all that's there for him.

So, the motto for the season here continues: Fire Shula. Guy screwed us all year. We have zero creativity and zero explosiveness, by design.

Also, a big factor in this game was Shula running the ball down their throat that lead to a TD, then abandoning that idea entirely. Shula has shown in this game all that is wrong with him. It took him 3 possessions to stop calling plays scared. Then, once he saw what works...he avoided doing that and just started airing the ball out. This gets the defense expecting pass, which leads to them jumping routes.

We need better pass rush, and better design on pass rush so that we still keep receivers covered, but that's a whole other thread....