The difference in the game

[Kevin Greene]

Pete Carroll just mentioned in the post game presser Russell had 3 3rd down TD passes.

Boom.

[Fox007]

Pete Carroll just mentioned in the post game presser Russell had 3 3rd down TD passes.

Boom.

 

He's just a game manager doe doo......more like derp

 

Wilson is a baller....not hard to see to people who aren't offended by every other QB that's better than Cam.

[raleigh-panther]

A leopard can't change it's spots. Shula has been doing that his entire career why Rivera continues to allow him to stay is beyond me.

The question should be why does Gettleman allow him to stay?

[lightsout]

He's just a game manager doe doo......more like derp

 

Wilson is a baller....not hard to see to people who aren't offended by every other QB that's better than Cam.

First TD, a terrible lobber that only got caught because Boston got caught peeking in the backfield and not getting himself into position.

The one-hand grab was a little luck mixed with a shove off (and wasn't a great throw either, as without the shove off, would have been broken up pretty easily, even after Bene got beat on the route initially. Hell, even with the shove off, it was an inch or two away from being tipped away).

The other was a wide open receiver.

Wilson does a really good job in what they ask him to do. He is a good QB. To assert that he's just a world beater? Or as good/better than Cam? Ridiculous and unfounded and contradictory to the evidence.

[mcdougal]

Wilson never throws darts into coverage.

 

I specifically remember Wilson throwing a dart on 3rd down between 4 panthers defenders.

 

It was the play that Luke almost was able to knock down.

 

 

[Fox007]

First TD, a terrible lobber that only got caught because Boston got caught peeking in the backfield and not getting himself into position.

The one-hand grab was a little luck mixed with a shove off (and wasn't a great throw either, as without the shove off, would have been broken up pretty easily, even after Bene got beat on the route initially. Hell, even with the shove off, it was an inch or two away from being tipped away).

The other was a wide open receiver.

Wilson does a really good job in what they ask him to do. He is a good QB. To assert that he's just a world beater? Or as good/better than Cam? Ridiculous and unfounded and contradictory to the evidence.

 

Cam is like the iPhone...he do something wrong? There's an excuse for that!

 

You know he had Cotchery wide open on a LB for a TD and threw it out of bounds right? So yea hitting your wide open WRs count....clearly....evidence indeed.

[Pox 08]

Sherman and company would have feasted more than they did,  if Cam just lobbed the ball up to KB, Cotch or Bersin multiple times. 

[mcdougal]

He's just a game manager doe doo......more like derp

 

Wilson is a baller....not hard to see to people who aren't offended by every other QB that's better than Cam.

 

While I will not go as far as saying that Wilson is better than Cam (I think Wilson, Newton, Keapernick, and Luck are all about the same given their circumstances)...

 

Gotta love the posts where people are still calling Wilson a game manager...

 

If Luck had this game against this defense, the Huddle would put him in the HOF.

[lightsout]

Cam is like the iPhone...he do something wrong? There's an excuse for that!

 

You know he had Cotchery wide open on a LB for a TD and threw it out of bounds right? So yea hitting your wide open WRs count....clearly....evidence indeed.

You know just as he threw that, he was having a defender pushing his OL into his lap, preventing him from stepping into the throw, right?

That was one of two real miscues Cam made in missing an open man that I can recall this game (the other being that weird play where he bolted up towards the LOS and overthrew every player on the field).

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I agree with you, but it is simple. Simply the Seahawks have good coaches who plan for their players. The Panthers have bad coaches who plan for their own ideas and expect the players to conform to what they want. They simply try to put square pegs into round holes.

It's really not though.

Sure we could change systems (it could possibly help Cam out) but you're banking on Cam and the entire offense to learn a new system during Cams "prime" years. Pittsburgh did this with Haley and Big Ben and it took their offense three years to click. I don't really want to take three years to teach Cam how to be a glorified game manager.

Right now our offense is really a jumble of things. A little Coryell, a little spread, and a little power run. Now even though it's a jumble, Cam has shown that he can succeed in each of the above offenses. It's just a matter of finding the right players that can also succeed (within the laws of the salary cap). Which is sometimes difficult.

To put it bluntly, we did the best with what we have.

There's no sense in changing the scheme when it already fits the QB who has proven that he has what it takes to be a franchise player. Now it's about surrounding Cam with players that can play in that system as well.

Once this whole cap crap is finally cleared up, this team will be a perineal power house. I'm willing to bet on that.

Oh, for what it's worth... we need a new guy that knows our system. There are some solid plays in our playbook, Shula just calls them at the completely wrong time.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

You know just as he threw that, he was having a defender pushing his OL into his lap, preventing him from stepping into the throw, right?

That was one of two real miscues Cam made in missing an open man that I can recall this game (the other being that weird play where he bolted up towards the LOS and overthrew every player on the field).

You can't reason with stupid my friend.

Sometimes you have to count your losses.

[JawnyBlaze]

It's really not though.

Sure we could change systems (it could possibly help Cam out) but you're banking on Cam and the entire offense to learn a new system during Cams "prime" years.

Right now our offense is really a jumble of things.

A little Coryell, a little spread, and a little power run. Now even though it's a jumble, Cam has shown that he can succeed in each of the above offenses. It's just a matter of finding the right players that can also succeed (within the laws of the salary cap). Which is sometimes difficult.

To put it bluntly, we did the best with what we have.

 

Well that I disagree with.  I don't think we did the best we could with what we had at all.  Shula is the Bell of OCs.  There are fewer games/plays that he looks competent than games/plays that he looks like a complete moron that has no business in the sport of football much less the pros.  Shula did not utilize the talents we had effectively. 

 

More screens to Stewart.  That screen early in the game to Deangelo?  Would have been a big gain if Remmers had affected his assigned defender even a little. 

 

Slants and quick plays to Philly.  He's fast, that doesn't mean all he can do is run fly routes.  Get him the ball in space quickly and see what he can do.  And no, I'm not talking the quick WR screens behind the line of scrimmage.  Get him the ball with some momentum.  He's not quick twitch, which is what you need on screens.

 

More over the middle to KB.  He was making plays at the beginning and end of the game.  I'm sure part of the middle game lull was a result of Seattle doing what we've been incapable of doing for 4 years now (making adjustments) but we need to then adjust to their adjustments.  KB is more than a fade route/jump ball player.  Plays like his TD catch are often money to him.  He doesn't often drop those.

 

Quick passes to Cotchery are all he's good for.  Stop calling routes for him that do anything else.  He cannot get separation, so you have to get the ball to him quick or it's not happening.

 

Too many east/west run plays.  To his credit, those did end after a few tries.

 

We had established the run, needed more play action and roll outs.  The OL is not good.  Stop trying to force Cam to stay in the pocket on 7 step drops when he rarely had one. 

 

His patented double fake screen wasn't attempted once.  I dunno if this is a good thing or a bad thing.  It often works, but sometimes has disastrous results.

 

Those seam passes to Olsen are money 75% of the time.  I dunno if Shula only called 1 or 2 of them the whole game or if Cam was just not throwing it to him, but we gotta have more of those.

 

There are probably even more ways to better use what we had.

 

[Rook35200]

Panthers have better weapons than Seattle...I don't know who'd rather have Luke Wilson, Kearse, and whoever the hell else they have at WR....our passing weapons are actually better the difference is the QB...

 

 

The difference is that Seattle has THE BEST SECONDARY in the NFL. Probably one of the best secondaries in NFL History. The same secondary that made Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees, and soon to be Tom Brady if they meet in the Super Bowl all look like pedestrian QB. It wouldn't have mattered if we would have had any one of those QBs, Seattle is just that good on defense. The QB doesn't have anything to do with it.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Well that I disagree with. I don't think we did the best we could with what we had at all. Shula is the Bell of OCs. There are fewer games/plays that he looks competent than games/plays that he looks like a complete moron that has no business in the sport of football much less the pros. Shula did not utilize the talents we had effectively.

More screens to Stewart. That screen early in the game to Deangelo? Would have been a big gain if Remmers had affected his assigned defender even a little.

Slants and quick plays to Philly. He's fast, that doesn't mean all he can do is run fly routes. Get him the ball in space quickly and see what he can do. And no, I'm not talking the quick WR screens behind the line of scrimmage. Get him the ball with some momentum. He's not quick twitch, which is what you need on screens.

More over the middle to KB. He was making plays at the beginning and end of the game. I'm sure part of the middle game lull was a result of Seattle doing what we've been incapable of doing for 4 years now (making adjustments) but we need to then adjust to their adjustments. KB is more than a fade route/jump ball player. Plays like his TD catch are often money to him. He doesn't often drop those.

Quick passes to Cotchery are all he's good for. Stop calling routes for him that do anything else. He cannot get separation, so you have to get the ball to him quick or it's not happening.

Too many east/west run plays. To his credit, those did end after a few tries.

We had established the run, needed more play action and roll outs. The OL is not good. Stop trying to force Cam to stay in the pocket on 7 step drops when he rarely had one.

His patented double fake screen wasn't attempted once. I dunno if this is a good thing or a bad thing. It often works, but sometimes has disastrous results.

Those seam passes to Olsen are money 75% of the time. I dunno if Shula only called 1 or 2 of them the whole game or if Cam was just not throwing it to him, but we gotta have more of those.

There are probably even more ways to better use what we had.

Eh I think we have a misunderstanding.

I meant that with what we have from the top down (coaches and players). We did the best we have. There is no doubt that there needs to be some personnel chsnges.

Like I said in my above post, we have some great plays in our play book (even ones that you are mentioning), we just don't have a guy that knows when to call them at the right time.