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The difference in the game

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lightsout Grand Master

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I mentioned this in the chat during the game several times, so some of you are probably tired of hearing it, but here it is anyway.

Look at Wilson's completions. Most are to ridiculously wide open receivers. Now look at Cam's throws, save for I think 3 of them. Into coverage. Fairly tight-to-really tight coverage, at that. Not because he's making bad choices...that's just what our offense gives him. Having to throw near defenders and hope his guy makes the play.

That's the difference. That's why all but one of the INTs happened (that first deep one was just a prayer, and Philly didn't even attempt to fight for it). Throwing near defenders because it's all he can do. It's all that's there for him.

So, the motto for the season here continues: Fire Shula. Guy screwed us all year. We have zero creativity and zero explosiveness, by design.

Also, a big factor in this game was Shula running the ball down their throat that lead to a TD, then abandoning that idea entirely. Shula has shown in this game all that is wrong with him. It took him 3 possessions to stop calling plays scared. Then, once he saw what works...he avoided doing that and just started airing the ball out. This gets the defense expecting pass, which leads to them jumping routes.

We need better pass rush, and better design on pass rush so that we still keep receivers covered, but that's a whole other thread....

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To me, the biggest differences were our WRs never being open and being soft.  Only KB and Olsen attack the ball at all.  Our DBs showed their age, too.  On the first TD, Boston's first reaction to Wilson floating up a pass was to move forward?!  They just kept getting beat on those floaters early.  And the OL didn't play well.  There were a few plays where Cam had time, but more often than not Cam's pocket awareness and mobility avoided sacks.

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I get what you're trying to say but it's not that simple.

The Seahawks system is specifically drawn up that way to help Wilson. He's asked to maybe make two or three tough throws a game but outside of that, he's a really good game manager.

They run a west coast offense with a power running hybrid and a zone blocking scheme.

The west coast offense in itself is one of the most quarterback friendly offenses that there is, and to incorporate and power running game into it!?!?

He's a game manager who can make the occasional difficult pass.

And to be honest, when you have a team built the way that Seattle does (defense oriented with a focus on the secondary and power running game) that's all you need at the QB position.

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To me, the biggest differences were our WRs never being open and being soft.  Only KB and Olsen attack the ball at all.  Our DBs showed their age, too.  On the first TD, Boston's first reaction to Wilson floating up a pass was to move forward?!  They just kept getting beat on those floaters early.  And the OL didn't play well.  There were a few plays where Cam had time, but more often than not Cam's pocket awareness and mobility avoided sacks.

Boston's TD happened because of the play design and what we were doing. Pretty sure we blitzed heavy there. There was a crossing route underneath. I think he was either trying to play both by taking that step forward so he had momentum while staying close to the deep threat, using the back of the endzone as an added defender, or he was expecting Wilson to take off and knew he was the last resort to stop him. Either way, he got pinned up, got caught peeking in the backfield, and when he realized the WR was going deep, he couldn't get his hips turned to recover.

OL sucked. Stew was churning out yards with nothing but sheer force of will. Couldn't keep Cam protected most of the night. Like you said, his awareness avoided numerous sacks. Probably the best I've ever seen Cam in the pocket for a whole game. Guy was on fire. Just a shame we don't have but two real receiving options, KB and Olsen.

Where were the screens? Ran em early. Surprised we didn't see more. Where were the double move routes once corners started jumping inside routes? Where were the crossing routes to generate picks and get receivers more open?

All of these things are basic offensive football for this league...we don't do any of them.

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I get what you're trying to say but it's not that simple.

The Seahawks system is specifically drawn up that way to help Wilson. He's asked to maybe make two or three tough throws a game but outside of that, he's a really good game manager.

They run a west coast offense with a power running hybrid and a zone blocking scheme.

The west coast offense in itself is one of the most quarterback friendly offenses that there is, and to incorporate and power running game into it!?!?

He's a game manager who can make the occasional difficult pass.

And to be honest, when you have a team built the way that Seattle does (defense oriented with a focus on the secondary and power running game) that's all you need at the QB position.

 

I agree with you, but it is simple.  Simply the Seahawks have good coaches who plan for their players.  The Panthers have bad coaches who plan for their own ideas and expect the players to conform to what they want.  They simply try to put square pegs into round holes.

 

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Boston's TD happened because of the play design and what we were doing. Pretty sure we blitzed heavy there. There was a crossing route underneath. I think he was either trying to play both by taking that step forward so he had momentum while staying close to the deep threat, using the back of the endzone as an added defender, or he was expecting Wilson to take off and knew he was the last resort to stop him. Either way, he got pinned up, got caught peeking in the backfield, and when he realized the WR was going deep, he couldn't get his hips turned to recover.

OL sucked. Stew was churning out yards with nothing but sheer force of will. Couldn't keep Cam protected most of the night. Like you said, his awareness avoided numerous sacks. Probably the best I've ever seen Cam in the pocket for a whole game. Guy was on fire. Just a shame we don't have but two real receiving options, KB and Olsen.

Where were the screens? Ran em early. Surprised we didn't see more. Where were the double move routes once corners started jumping inside routes? Where were the crossing routes to generate picks and get receivers more open?

All of these things are basic offensive football for this league...we don't do any of them.

great post.

I can't even start on offensive playcalling, but you pretty well covered it

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