Cam Newton

[RJK]

tom brady has built a retaining wall of memory

[rayzor]

Tom Brady made that mistake against Baltimore on the same day.

 

Just saying.

 

this is how you respond. with an intelligent answer. not spamming a thread with a bunch of pictures of some kid that needs to be taught some manners.

[TheRed]

Typical huddle thread after a loss.

 

Ahhhhh the offseason is here. Bleh.

[MHS831]

I think Cam  Newton can be great, and played pretty well vs. Seattle.  When that defense forces you to pass, they make you make mistakes.  Especially in the red zone when they can take advantage of a short field.  Having said that, he has a ton of work to do to be great.

 

The thing about Cam is this--he is slowly evolving from running qb to field general and I have not been very patient in that regard.  A great qb does not need superstar OL, RBs and WRs to be great--I doubt Cobb and Jordy Nelson are stars in Cleveland, for example, so the argument that the great QBs have great WRs is invalid.  Look how much better Lafell is in New Orleans; Smitty went for over 1000 yards in Baltimore.  You could argue that when we had WRs, they underperformed.

 

This is why you have to pay Cam $20m.  We are all in with him.  He has the potential to be great.  He is the face of the franchise, and not paying him would result in this team going back to 2011.  I have decided that the thing to do is give him the weapons he needs.   Give him a legit LT and let that OL continue to gel in 2015.  I also think it would be cool to bring in another stud RB. 

 

Fortunately, thanks to Dave Gettlemen and some outstanding coaching, we now have the defense set for the most part.  We can focus on the missing pieces on offense.  Specifically, LT, WR, and RB.   I think these players could be the first three picks in the draft.   However, I am not ruling out Gettlemen finding gems in the dumpster as he has over the past 2 years. 

 

Red or someone made a point that I disagreed with, but the more I think about it, he could be right.  Does Dorsey have the pedigree to get Cam's attention?  If Cam had a qb guru, would he be better?  Since Cam is at the stage of his career where the mental aspects are key to becoming great, lets get a guru for our QB to unleash his potential, instead of a buddy/cheerleader. 

 

Yes, Cam is a middle-of-the-pack qb right now, but we need to develop a strategy to make him elite.  This involves coaching and supporting staff.  It may work, it may not, but we can't continue to straddle the fence with him.  We have to pay fair market to keep him.  If he wants $25 m, we need to look elsewhere, but at $20m, he is not worth it now, but we are not paying him for now. 

 

[Captain Obvious]

trade up for winston. yes it's a joke.

[ThinkAboutIt]

No QB plays well against Seattle, just reality. Cam was good enough for the game until the pick 6 that if our defense played like it should have we'd have been in the game.

 

He played them better than most. Right, Peyton?

 

Seattle's defense actually didn't do much of anything last night. Carolina beat themselves. Everyone is obsessed with Cam Newton, but the Defense got beaten all night by that same 7 yard TE pass, and Tolbert dropped a big 3rd down pass just like he did in New Orleans.

 

When Cam screws up, it's right there for the whole world to see. He doesn't get any help a lot of times from his receivers when he doesn't. But, I get it, he has to play perfect. He's the only QB in the NFL that does.

 

I hope he leaves and I hope Richardson's sons sell the team when he croaks. Couldn't happen to a better "some of you."

[Navy_football]

Cam is not a middle-of-the-road QB. You can not convince me of that. And yes he does need more, different weapons. And yes he does need a better play caller. But doesn't every other successful QB, sans Peyton since he basically calls his own plays.

 

Who is the big playmaker/deep threat on the offense? This team is more likely to get a 50 yard play from a RB as it is to get a 50 yard play from a WR. The biggest deep threat Cam has ever had was a 30+ year old 5'9" WR, and he didn't even have him this season. Name me another QB in the league in that situation right now - maybe ever.

 

The young man has to make 90% of his passes into tight coverage, to receivers that refuse to fight for the ball - except for KB and Olsen. Dickson is horrible. If nothing else, Brandon Williams is a stronger blocker and a tougher competitor. I would love to see him get more snaps.

 

I just watched Cam Newton stiff arm (to the ground) one of the hardest hitting FS in the NFL, and then throw a laser to the sideline on a deep out in tight coverage. No other QB can do that. He ain't Brady, Manning consistency yet. But to say he's an average QB is completely asinine, to put it mildly.

[JB82887]

I promise you Tom Brady,Payton Manning, and Aaron Rogers dont make that mistake. I knew it when we got near the goal line he was going to make a dumb play. Its just what he does and his QB coach should rip him a new one for it.

Well only 3 teams have Bray, Manning, Rodgers. If I am not mistaken they aren't the only 3 teams that win the Super Bowl every year. Cam is fine, you are in denial if you think the game wasn't already out of reach at that point.

[mc52beast]

Going into his 5th season these issues he continues to have should not still be lingering. Either we blame the coaches around him or we admit that Cam isn't a franchise qb.

[fjblair]

He played like crap if you ask me. Wilson proved why he is a Elite QB and Cam Proved why we will be home watching.

 

Yep. Cam Newton is a middle tier quarterback with top tier capabilities. He has flashes but is just not able to put it all together. I honestly think he will become an elite QB but his development is taking a lot longer than expected.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Wilson made throws that Elite QBs make and he also made good decisions with the ball. That was the difference in this game. When it was on Cams shoulders to make plays he over threw, under threw, and threw it to the other team. Thats just not up to snuff in my book.

Lol did you watch the game? Compare our coverage against Seattle Wrs/TEs compared to Seattles coverage against Carolinas Wrs/TEs its night and fuging day. Half the time Wilson was throwing to wide open targets all game. The other half were quick throws and his guys were able to get YAC something our team does not get. Cam had his fair share of mistakes but you really need to rewatch the game if you believe even 50% of that loss was his fault.

[mcdougal]

Cam is not a middle-of-the-road QB. You can not convince me of that. And yes he does need more, different weapons. And yes he does need a better play caller. But doesn't every other successful QB, sans Peyton since he basically calls his own plays.

 

Who is the big playmaker/deep threat on the offense? This team is more likely to get a 50 yard play from a RB as it is to get a 50 yard play from a WR. The biggest deep threat Cam has ever had was a 30+ year old 5'9" WR, and he didn't even have him this season. Name me another QB in the league in that situation right now - maybe ever.

 

The young man has to make 90% of his passes into tight coverage, to receivers that refuse to fight for the ball - except for KB and Olsen. Dickson is horrible. If nothing else, Brandon Williams is a stronger blocker and a tougher competitor. I would love to see him get more snaps.

 

I just watched Cam Newton stiff arm (to the ground) one of the hardest hitting FS in the NFL, and then throw a laser to the sideline on a deep out in tight coverage. No other QB can do that. He ain't Brady, Manning consistency yet. But to say he's an average QB is completely asinine, to put it mildly.

 

Despite all this, some Huddlers are still willing to dump another first round pick into the DE position.

 

These will be the same Huddlers that will blame the offense for not scoring 30 points.

[Dunn]

Honestly now is the time to see where Cam's cards lay.  Will he want the mega-bucks break the bank 'pay me!' type of deal?  Or will he take a step back, realize there is more to improve on in the team and take a deal that will not just make him one of the most wealthy men in America, but also help our team with the ability to spend money at other positions?

[carolinarolls]

There was a point in the game that I could have honestly posted " this is the best game I have seen him play". Period. But then the same old issues came back and I was as frustrated as ever. I guess you could call that "he's getting better, not perfect, and needs more weapons". Those comments all fit.

What gives me pause in relation to the big contract is the educated instinct I had during the game last night to NOT post that compliment. It's as if I knew the real Cam or AlterCam or whatever you want to call it was going to show up.

Most are going to credit the weapons(lack of), Byron Bell, Dave Gettleman, and a host of other things with why it fell all to pieces and that is fine. I've become accustomed to that. To me though, there was a noticeable joy/satisfaction and sense of relief that came with his individual play in much of the first three periods and then a noticeable sense of dismay at what happened after that.

His inconsistency is what bothers me. His inability to rise up and in fact just the opposite, his propensity to shy away in the big moment is what I fear most. Russell Wilson had his protection break down too. Russell Wilson faced a stifling defense too. Russell Wilson had guys dropping passes too.

Russell Wilson has the mental edge a true franchise player needs in order to earn an elite contract. Cam brings a lot of things to the table, but gritty, gut it out, mental fortitude is not one of those things. The other thing, and probably the thing that is even more glaring is his leadership. Do people look up to Cam? I'm sure they do. When that game was 14-10 last night I have to bet that the Hawks were much more confident in RW than our guys were in Cam insofar as who they thought could and would get it done.

The last thing Cam Newton's head needs is a big fat " you're the man " max QB contract to consider right now. Would be terrible for him and the Panthers in my opinion.