A lot of people talk about Cam and his backfoot

[Smithers]

I think it's mostly a symptom of him always being ready to run if need be.  QBs that know they will never take off can use their legs differently than if they think there's a chance they'll take off and sprint.  Obviously you're going to set your feet differently taking off on a sprint than throwing.  I think Cam's "streakiness" with his feet is just him setting his feet right on plays he knows he's going to throw it with very little chance of taking off with the ball (e.g. quick slants or plays where he's going to throw it whether the target is technically open or not) and he mostly uses arm on plays where there's a greater chance of him having to take off with it (e.g. long developing plays where he's not sure someone's going to get open).

Exactly.  Earlier this season, when he couldn't run due to injuries, his mechanics were flawless.  His passing efficiency took a nose dive after the Cincy game when his running ability returned.  He needs to find a way to balance the two.  

 

first 4 games:  AVG QB Rating = 94.6; AVG RUSHING TOTAL = 11.6 YARDS 

last 11 games:AVG QB Rating = 76.2; AVG RUSHING TOTAL = 43.3 YARDS

 

I excluded the Cincy game as that was the one game Cam managed to have a decent QB rating and rush for several yards.  That was also the turning point...the first game Cam starting running again this season.  

 

Another thing to note...Cam had just 1 interception through his first 4 games.  He had 11 during the next 12 games.  His mechanics suffered once he started running again.  As JB pointed out above, I think his stance changes as he sets up to run more often than he sets up to throw. I hope he can figure it all out by tomorrow...and play like he did against Cincy or New Orleans.

[PhillyB]

i really wonder if ken dorsey isn't much more deficient than any of us previously thought. cam has proven to be a teachable guy.

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Cam has had stretches if impeccable accuracy, last year he went what was it 180+ pass attempts before throwing a pick? He has shown Manning esque accuracy through stretches

[thefuzz]

Two things I look at when looking at college QB's.

 

Release point, and foot work.  Both are very hard to change, and take years to master.

 

 

You can improve your arm strength and to a certain extent accuracy, with better mechanics, but it isn't easy, and neither is fixing bad footwork.

[Servant of Cthululelei]

People give way too much credit to the coaches for these types of things, both good and bad.  It's on Cam to execute.  He has shown entire games where he keeps focused and looks extremely solid mechanically.  There have been others where he has been scattershot and inconsistent in his mechanics.  That's a focus issue, not a coaching one.  I don't blame Cam at all, being the dual threat QB that he is, he's being asked to do a lot more than most QBs in this league.  He has to read the defenses and exploit coverages from the pocket, all the while being ready to scramble if things break down (which happened very often this season).  He also has to run the read option on a lot of the running plays, so he doesn't even get a mental break on the run plays like most NFL QBs do.  Cam has so many responsibilities in this offense, that sometimes he mentally slips and his mechanics suffer.  I think he will continue to get better at that with each passing year, as he has each year so far.

[Millioso7]

Cam has a problem, cam has admitted to it.  At this point, it is on Cam to put in the effort--to be coachable and modify his game.   Everyone wants to blame everyone except Cam for his faults.   You really have no idea what Dorsey knows or how much Cam respects him.  WHy would you jump to that conclusion?

 

 

i am assuming mostly but what credibilty does ken dorsey have to be coaching a guy a couple years younger? last time i checked ken dorsey flopped in the league what can he possibly be bringing to the table?

[Gabeking]

Cam is just lazy. Just winging it. After 10 years he'll talk about how he use to wing it to just get by.

You and charlottepanther need to have a playdate

[AceBoogie]

The guys QB coach is Ken Dorsey who is simply not qualified for the job. How do you go from a damn scout to coaching up the #1 pick in like a year.

[MHS831]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that we may want to invest a few more bucks in hiring a QB coach who has actually coached before.

 

Especially considering that we are more than likely going to pay Newton to be the face of our franchise for many years to come.

 

Really?  Is this where you et al. pretend to know more than the front office again?  Do you think they conspire against us to lose intentionally?  Do you know anything about the relationship between Cam and coach, what the coach knows, etc. and are you qualified--IQ scores withstanding---to analyze the quality of that relationship from your couch? 

 

[MHS831]

i am assuming mostly but what credibilty does ken dorsey have to be coaching a guy a couple years younger? last time i checked ken dorsey flopped in the league what can he possibly be bringing to the table?

 

Assuming is fine, as long as opinions are prefaced that way, I am interested in various opinions.  There are some, however, who pretend to know the internal workings of the system and then proceed to analyze their fantastical visions with uncanny certainty.  Of course, the reason Cam throws off balance is due to Dorsey not having a stellar career, or not being old enough to understand common mechanics.  Perhaps the most interesting aspect of their diagnoses and prognoses is that there is the underlying assumption that they are able to see the clear picture of the internal workings of the franchise by watching the team on TV for 48 hours each fall enough to dismiss the coaches, GMs, Presidents, and owners' opinions.

[Millioso7]

Assuming is fine, as long as opinions are prefaced that way, I am interested in various opinions.  There are some, however, who pretend to know the internal workings of the system and then proceed to analyze their fantastical visions with uncanny certainty.  Of course, the reason Cam throws off balance is due to Dorsey not having a stellar career, or not being old enough to understand common mechanics.  Perhaps the most interesting aspect of their diagnoses and prognoses is that there is the underlying assumption that they are able to see the clear picture of the internal workings of the franchise by watching the team on TV for 48 hours each fall enough to dismiss the coaches, GMs, Presidents, and owners' opinions.

 

this is an assumtion as well but with all considered ken dorsey clearly doesnt carry the creedatials to develope Cams technique as a pocket passer...... you dont take a beamer or benz to a local shop and expect formula 1 performance afterwards....

[MHS831]

this is an assumtion as well but with all considered ken dorsey clearly doesnt carry the creedatials to develope Cams technique as a pocket passer...... you dont take a beamer or benz to a local shop and expect formula 1 performance afterwards....

 

I see your point, but I imagine people said the same thing about Frank Reich. Sean Payton, or Jim Harbaugh at one time. 

 

If a player is getting coached and doesn't change bad habits.but is aware of the bad habits, is that on the coach or the player?  It is harder to coach great athletes than other players based on my experience.  They have been able to succeed on every level with bad habits.  I am not saying that another QB coach could not do better, I am saying that there is no way any objective thinker could arrive at that conclusion with absolutely no inside information.  Cam has admitted doing it, he has vowed to work on fundamentals.  He has not improved--he is arguably worse now than as a rookie---and that is what we know.   Dorsey's fault?  maybe.  Shula's fault? maybe.  Rivera's fault, maybe--all to some degree.  Cam's fault.  Absolutely, also to some degree. 

[Millioso7]

I see your point, but I imagine people said the same thing about Frank Reich. Sean Payton, or Jim Harbaugh at one time. 

 

If a player is getting coached and doesn't change bad habits.but is aware of the bad habits, is that on the coach or the player?  It is harder to coach great athletes than other players based on my experience.  They have been able to succeed on every level with bad habits.  I am not saying that another QB coach could not do better, I am saying that there is no way any objective thinker could arrive at that conclusion with absolutely no inside information.  Cam has admitted doing it, he has vowed to work on fundamentals.  He has not improved--he is arguably worse now than as a rookie---and that is what we know.   Dorsey's fault?  maybe.  Shula's fault? maybe.  Rivera's fault, maybe--all to some degree.  Cam's fault.  Absolutely, also to some degree. 

 

very valid points allthough i do not agree about him bein arguable better as a rookie that was a pass happy vertical offense(kinda miss it) cam does have the final say over his overall progression as a pocket passer but my point is lets bring in a guy who has already collected notches under thier belt like a Frank Reich Sean Payton Jim Harbaugh for ddeveloping pocket passers instead of working on ken dorseys resume...

 

[TheNewStandard]

Cam throws darts regardless of what foot he throws off of. Maybe throwing off his back foot isn't such a bad thing because it takes a little steam off and adds a little touch. Goodness knows how many of the team's dropsies are due to that high velocity of Cam's passes?!