Which secondary gives up less passing yards this Saturday night?

[Mol3m4n]

This is PATENTLY FALSE and Wilson has disproven it again and again and yet because people continue to say it, people believe it to be true.

Yet a majority of your fans will say that Cam is incapable of taking over a game.

I will say this: Russell is more consistent than Newton. He will have a great game once a season. My fantasy team helps with that. Newton is streaky, but when he is on, he is a one man offense. There is no other person who can change a game like him. Fantasy helps with that too. I have them both. They both impress. They both dissappoint.

[Chrome_Seahawk]

Yet a majority of your fans will say that Cam is incapable of taking over a game.

I will say this: Russell is more consistent than Newton. He will have a great game once a season. My fantasy team helps with that. Newton is streaky, but when he is on, he is a one man offense. There is no other person who can change a game like him. Fantasy helps with that too. I have them both. They both impress. They both dissappoint.

I can get behind your statement that that there may be no other person who can change a game quite like Cam....but I can honestly say that Russell rarely disappoints.  We certainly don't convert all of our opportunities, but most frequently the issues are elsewhere (player not catching a ball, not running a route long enough or missing a block)

[panthers55]

You find something that breaks down his throws from in the pocket versus those on the run and I'll listen. He's an accurate passer both in the pocket and on the move.

Cam is much more dynamic, but Wilson is the better passer. I can't fathom Russ throwing for 400 yards in a game, let alone two in a row. However, I can't imagine Cam finishing a game with a 75% completion.

NFL Live did a segment a little bit ago and Antonio Pierce had a couple highlights that demonstrated Wilson's patience.

63% is below average for a WCO quarterback. With many throws being short timing routes or dump off passes you would expect him to be even higher. His completion percentage is 20th in the league for starting quarterbacks behind such notables as Cutler, Orton, Fotzpatrick, Sanchez and a bunch others.

Is Wilson more accurate than Cam? Yep. But that is hardly difficult as Cam is ranked 29th in completion rate. What benefits Wilson is that he isn't asked to do that much.

[panthers55]

To answer the question though, I think the Panthers will give up more yards as Wilson is forced to throw when their running game stalls. The game though will come down to Newton playing well not Wilson. Wilson had a passer rating of 77 when we played them earlier. But Cam had a bad game with a passer rating of 61. If he plays as well as he has the past few games since he has been healthy i like our chances.

[Mol3m4n]

I can get behind your statement that that there may be no other person who can change a game quite like Cam....but I can honestly say that Russell rarely disappoints. We certainly don't convert all of our opportunities, but most frequently the issues are elsewhere (player not catching a ball, not running a route long enough or missing a block)

Wilson certainly let me down a couple times this season. Mainly his last game of the regular season. Or the week before. It was one of the two.

[Wilson Is A God]

Wilson is a game manager, he's not a guy who will carry an offense. He may for a game here and there, but he won't carry a team through a season.

 

Correct... he didn't carry the Hawks for "a" season.  He has carried the Seahawks for THREE seasons.

 

Most of our successful 3rd and 4th down conversions extending drives to scores have been because Russell Wilson stepped up and did something extraordinary.

 

Just because Wilson isn't responsible for the ground Lynch gains once he gets past the LOS doesn't mean he does not contribute to much of Lynch's and therefore the team's success.

 

Every time Wilson keeps the ball on the read option it interjects more doubt as to what will happen with the read/option in succeeding plays. The more confusion ..the bigger the holes for Lynch as the game progresses.  That is one of the reasons the Hawks do most of their scoring late in the game.  Russell's ball handling is magical.  

 

Many teams play hard and score early on the Hawks.  We are wearing the biggest target in the NFL.  Yet in YOUR stadium the Hawks are undefeated.  

 

I think the biggest difference in our two defensive backfields is that the Seahawks make big plays when it matters most..near the end of the game.  The game ending play by Sherman in last year's NFC Championship....The play by Thomas in our last game where he knocked the ball out of the Ram players hands inches from the goal line and through the corner of the end zone giving the Hawks possession on the twenty.  These plays come so often that to us and I'm sure to the Seahawk secondary..they are routine.

 

I think I will spend some time reviewing Panther secondary highlights.  I'll check in after that. 

[CRA]

Correct... he didn't carry the Hawks for "a" season. He has carried the Seahawks for THREE seasons.

Most of our successful 3rd and 4th down conversions extending drives to scores have been because Russell Wilson stepped up and did something extraordinary.

Just because Wilson isn't responsible for the ground Lynch gains once he gets past the LOS doesn't mean he does not contribute to much of Lynch's and therefore the team's success.

Every time Wilson keeps the ball on the read option it interjects more doubt as to what will happen with the read/option in succeeding plays. The more confusion ..the bigger the holes for Lynch as the game progresses. That is one of the reasons the Hawks do most of their scoring late in the game. Russell's ball handling is magical.

Many teams play hard and score early on the Hawks. We are wearing the biggest target in the NFL. Yet in YOUR stadium the Hawks are undefeated.

I think the biggest difference in our two defensive backfields is that the Seahawks make big plays when it matters most..near the end of the game. The game ending play by Sherman in last year's NFC Championship....The play by Thomas in our last game where he knocked the ball out of the Ram players hands inches from the goal line and through the corner of the end zone giving the Hawks possession on the twenty. These plays come so often that to us and I'm sure to the Seahawk secondary..they are routine.

I think I will spend some time reviewing Panther secondary highlights. I'll check in after that.

Claiming Russell Wilson has carried your team for 3 seasons is a huge insult to your defense and Lynch.

And you keep talking about the read option like it will crush us. Carolina brought the read option to life in the NFL.....and the reason your O never gets rolling is we know it very well. The Hawk read won't be what wins u the game. We got that

[Wilson Is A God]

OK...I just watched the highlights of the November 14th game against the Eagles.  

 

WOW!  Are you serious?  Hardy is a joke.  Sanchez just simply tore you guys up.

 

We played the Eagles on December 7th and beat them 24 to 14 in Philly.

 

That HAS to be a fair comparison in our teams respective secondaries.

 

We have allowed 30 points twice this season..both losses ...one to the Chargers and the other to Dallas.

 

The heat and humidity was suffocating in San Diego so I personally don't get skiddish about the results of that game.  Our secondary was spending much of the time with intravenous liquid injections.

 

The other loss was a tough game with Dallas here in Seattle.  Romo had a career game.

 

So,,,How exactly did that pretender Sanchez rack up 45 on youz guys?

 

A lot of the responsibility falls on Cam...  wheeeuuuuu!!  He wasn't even pressed or in the process of being tackled...He just threw some god awful passes right to the Eagles secondary.  At least one of those bogus throws went for a pick six.

 

But comparing secondary to secondary playing the same opponent..  It isn't even close.  Eagles receivers are getting wide open while Sanchez is still in the pocket THEN the Eagles receiver runs about twenty yards right through three different Panther DBs..tackling was atrocious. 

 

I realize it was just one game but it is a fair comparison.  I don't see how you folks can seriously suggest that your DBs match up against the LOB. 

[CRA]

OK...I just watched the highlights of the November 14th game against the Eagles.

WOW! Are you serious? Hardy is a joke. Sanchez just simply tore you guys up.

We played the Eagles on December 7th and beat them 24 to 14 in Philly.

That HAS to be a fair comparison in our teams respective secondaries.

We have allowed 30 points twice this season..both losses ...one to the Chargers and the other to Dallas.

The heat and humidity was suffocating in San Diego so I personally don't get skiddish about the results of that game. Our secondary was spending much of the time with intravenous liquid injections.

The other loss was a tough game with Dallas here in Seattle. Romo had a career game.

So,,,How exactly did that pretender Sanchez rack up 45 on youz guys?

A lot of the responsibility falls on Cam... wheeeuuuuu!! He wasn't even pressed or in the process of being tackled...He just threw some god awful passes right to the Eagles secondary. At least one of those bogus throws went for a pick six.

But comparing secondary to secondary playing the same opponent.. It isn't even close. Eagles receivers are getting wide open while Sanchez is still in the pocket THEN the Eagles receiver runs about twenty yards right through three different Panther DBs..tackling was atrocious.

I realize it was just one game but it is a fair comparison. I don't see how you folks can seriously suggest that your DBs match up against the LOB.

We have revamped our OL

Revamped our secondary

Revamped our rush attack

And Cam wasn't healthy

Other than that....yeah, I guess you are right, it shows um....something

[Wilson Is A God]

We have revamped our OL

Revamped our secondary

Revamped our rush attack

And Cam wasn't healthy

Other than that....yeah, I guess you are right, it shows um....something

 

OK I'll give you the benefit of knowing a whole lot more than I about the timing of all this reconstruction.

 

I guess I would inquire how much of it has happened just before and since November 14th.

 

I didn't know that Cam wasn't healthy for that game.  He looked horrible.  Don't you guys have a decent backup?  

 

That game was only 7 weeks ago.  Less than half of the season.  Sure it wasn't the last word..the definitive example but as you say...it definitely showed us something. 

[Wilson Is A God]

Wilson 300

 

Newton 150

[CRA]

OK I'll give you the benefit of knowing a whole lot more than I about the timing of all this reconstruction.

I guess I would inquire how much of it has happened just before and since November 14th.

I didn't know that Cam wasn't healthy for that game. He looked horrible. Don't you guys have a decent backup?

That game was only 7 weeks ago. Less than half of the season. Sure it wasn't the last word..the definitive example but as you say...it definitely showed us something.

All the revamping happened after....

And it is why we are now a different team

Cam has been battling injuries all season. Ankle,ribs, back, etc. He is healthier now but not healthy. He had 2 rush attempts for 6 yards that game....if you watched that game with commentary on and they talked about how hurt he looked. Cam rushing for 6 yards against a meh D is all you need to know about his health back then

[Wilson Is A God]

All the revamping happened after....

And it is why we are now a different team

Cam has been battling injuries all season. Ankle,ribs, back, etc. He is healthier now but not healthy. He had 2 rush attempts for 6 yards that game....if you watched that game with commentary on and they talked about how hurt he looked. Cam rushing for 6 yards against a meh D is all you need to know about his health back then

 

Sorry..I watched it muted ..I was listening to a Russell Wilson interview on my radio.

 

WOW.. That's a lot of changes in six weeks.

 

I hope for you guys and for it to be a truly interesting and competitive game that Newton is healthy this Saturday.

[CRA]

Sorry..I watched it muted ..I was listening to a Russell Wilson interview on my radio.

WOW.. That's a lot of changes in six weeks.

I hope for you guys and for it to be a truly interesting and competitive game that Newton is healthy this Saturday.

He is healthier now than the middle of the season despite the back injury from the car crash.

We knew from the start of the year he would never be 100% (but no one is 100% this time of year)

And it is a lot of change. Which is why we look and play so different.

Special teams is the area that is the real weakness. They could prevent it from being a real game