Seahawk DT Jordan Hill out

[t96]

Hill had been playing well, but it's not a game changing loss. Bobby Wagner erases a lot of flaws in the inside.

Hill also missed the first meeting (along with Wagner) and Stewart had 79 yards on 16 carries. Granted we also had Mebane still.. but if Stewart was held under 80 without Bobby Wagner.. I'm not overly concerned with the Panthers running game with Wagner.

It will all ride on Cam as far as the Panthers offense goes.

You do realize who was playing o-line for us that game right? The improvements on our line vastly outweight Wagner's impact. Stew will go over 125.

[volsunghawk]

You might have seen 3 big runs, hopefully you're defense is really working hard to stop those (and waste their time). Not one person here would claim that we're a big play team. Here's what we're going to do. Run for 3, Run for 5, Run for 3, Run for 2, and so on. We're going to grind, we're going to pound. Big play machine...we are not. A team that will do what we do best over and over again until you're sick of it...that's us.

 

Seattle is going to represent the toughest run D you've faced since you played Detroit. And yes, I know you beat Detroit... my point is that the success on the ground you guys have enjoyed over your hot streak recently is going to be much more difficult to generate this game.

 

You may WANT to do it over and over again until we're sick of it, but at some point, it's likely that you're going to find that you have to try something else when your bread-and-butter isn't getting the job done.

[CBDellinger]

Seattle is going to represent the toughest run D you've faced since you played Detroit. And yes, I know you beat Detroit... my point is that the success on the ground you guys have enjoyed over your hot streak recently is going to be much more difficult to generate this game.

 

You may WANT to do it over and over again until we're sick of it, but at some point, it's likely that you're going to find that you have to try something else when your bread-and-butter isn't getting the job done.

 

 

I think that is likely the crux of the game on both sides. 

 

This is likely to be a real slobber knocker and the winner could be so banged up that in the next round it will be hard to muster a real fight. 

[VerticalThreat]

Seattle is going to represent the toughest run D you've faced since you played Detroit. And yes, I know you beat Detroit... my point is that the success on the ground you guys have enjoyed over your hot streak recently is going to be much more difficult to generate this game.

 

You may WANT to do it over and over again until we're sick of it, but at some point, it's likely that you're going to find that you have to try something else when your bread-and-butter isn't getting the job done.

 

Absolutely. My point was that a 'Hawk fan made a comment that our "BIG" plays have come on broken tackles and big plays haven't been what has made us successful. Running the ball methodically with at least 3 big backs (Cam, Stew & Tolbert) is our style.

[volsunghawk]

I think that is likely the crux of the game on both sides. 

 

This is likely to be a real slobber knocker and the winner could be so banged up that in the next round it will be hard to muster a real fight. 

 

I sincerely hope not, since I'll be rooting for the winner of our game to take it all.

 

As for the Seahawks, they've been taking the requisite "best punch" from teams all season long, and a couple of them definitely knocked us on our asses. But the team's gotten healthy and gotten their minds right just in time for the postseason, so I'm hopeful that however brutal this game is, they'll be ready for the NFCCG if/when they advance.

[MadHatter]

Seattle is going to represent the toughest run D you've faced since you played Detroit. And yes, I know you beat Detroit... my point is that the success on the ground you guys have enjoyed over your hot streak recently is going to be much more difficult to generate this game.

 

You may WANT to do it over and over again until we're sick of it, but at some point, it's likely that you're going to find that you have to try something else when your bread-and-butter isn't getting the job done.

 

Same could be said for the Seahawks.

 

Our run D has been nasty the past 6 games.

 

Not to mention that you played us during the time earlier in the season when every team was gashing us in the run game....and we STILL held Lynch to 62 yds rushing.  We also held him to 43 yards last year.

 

Given our ability to stop Lynch recently and Wilson's anemic passing the past 6 home games (2 TD and 5 Int).....do not expect your offense to be putting up many points.

 

Keep telling yourself that you are anything other than a pedestrian offense if it makes you feel better....but you are not.

 

Last 6 home games....3 games with 1 offensive TD and 2 games with 2 offensive TD's

[Montsta]

While this is true, a lot of the biggest runs I've seen from you guys have been on Broken Tackles...the Hawks defense don't miss many tackles (and from what I've seen neither do the Panthers)

This is true of any team. It's rare that a guy has a big run without a broken or missed tackle. Wide open lanes simply don't happen that often in the NFL.

That being said, our new offensive line is giving Stewart/Cam/Tolbert a lot of push to get those 6-7 yard runs, which is much more important to our offense then the 1-2 yard carries with an occasional big run.

[volsunghawk]

Same could be said for the Seahawks.

 

Our run D has been nasty the past 6 games.

 

Not to mention that you played us during the time earlier in the season when every team was gashing us in the run game....and we STILL held Lynch to 62 yds rushing.  We also held him to 43 yards last year.

 

Given our ability to stop Lynch recently and Wilson's anemic passing the past 6 home games (2 TD and 5 Int).....do not expect your offense to be putting up many points.

 

Keep telling yourself that you are anything other than a pedestrian offense if it makes you feel better....but you are not.

 

Last 6 home games....3 games with 1 offensive TD and 2 games with 2 offensive TD's

 

I don't expect our offense to put up many points. That's not our style of game. If we score 30, that's usually a sign that the game has gone pear-shaped somewhere along the way. I think our offense is almost always a low 20s type of scoring offense, all things considered. It's based first and foremost on protecting the ball, which is one of Pete Carroll's bedrock principles. So there are plenty of times when Wilson will scramble, but then throw the ball away where another team might have taken a shot downfield. Wilson plays safe because it's what the coach wants.

 

The other bedrock principle of Carroll's that allows us to keep winning with this style of offense is incredible defense, and we've had that going pretty well recently. We just finished with the fewest points allowed in the league for the 3rd straight year. And while you are absolutely right about how our offensive production has been less than breathtaking recently, it's been enough to win 6 straight because of the way the defense is shutting opponents down. If you guys reach 10 points, you should celebrate, because it's something that 5 of our last 6 opponents couldn't do.

[MadHatter]

I don't expect our offense to put up many points. That's not our style of game. If we score 30, that's usually a sign that the game has gone pear-shaped somewhere along the way. I think our offense is almost always a low 20s type of scoring offense, all things considered. It's based first and foremost on protecting the ball, which is one of Pete Carroll's bedrock principles. So there are plenty of times when Wilson will scramble, but then throw the ball away where another team might have taken a shot downfield. Wilson plays safe because it's what the coach wants.

 

The other bedrock principle of Carroll's that allows us to keep winning with this style of offense is incredible defense, and we've had that going pretty well recently. We just finished with the fewest points allowed in the league for the 3rd straight year. And while you are absolutely right about how our offensive production has been less than breathtaking recently, it's been enough to win 6 straight because of the way the defense is shutting opponents down. If you guys reach 10 points, you should celebrate, because it's something that 5 of our last 6 opponents couldn't do.

 

Your offense is NOT a low 20's kind of offense against the Panthers...and the last three games has prove that.

 

The winning team in this game will NOT score 20 points....unless one team decides to just make incredible mistakes and TO's.

 

And the underlined passage shows that you are just like the other Seattle douchebag fans....you just try to hide it more.

 

We will be celebrating on YOUR field....and it will be when the clock is at 0:00 and we have won.

[volsunghawk]

Your offese is NOT a low 20's kind of offense against the Panthers...and the last three games has prove that.

 

The winning team in this game will NOT score 20 points....unless one team decides to just make incredible mistakes and TO's.

 

And the underlined passage shows that you are just like the other Seattle douchebag fans....you just try to hide it more.

 

We will be celebrating on YOUR field....and it will be when the clock is at 0:00 and we have won.

 

Of course our offense is going to struggle more against better Ds like Carolina. I don't doubt that for a second. I was referring more to the average output.

 

And I agree that it's really unlikely that the winning team scores 20+ without the help of turnovers. 

 

I guess you can call me whatever you like. That line wasn't intended as a swipe at your squad, but just pointing out how well Seattle's D has been playing over the last 6 games. Seriously, 5 of the last 6 games have ended with the opponent having a single digit in their score column. The Eagles got to 14 in part because our punter derped and gave them the ball on a very short field.

 

And anyhow, if you can point to the last 3 games between our teams as evidence, I can do the same. That 10-point barrier is one your team hasn't broken in 2 of those 3 games, and in the 3rd, it took a pick six by Captain Munnerlyn and an intentional safety for your guys to reach 12.

 

So yeah, if it makes me a douchebag to have confidence in my team in this upcoming game based on how they've played for the last month and a half AND based on the scores of the games our teams have played against each other the last 3 seasons, then I guess I plead guilty.

[gettlemanjack]

Big loss for Seattle. Hill has 19 tackles, 5.5 sacks and an interception on the season.

Hill had his 5.5 sacks over SEA's last 6 games (1.0, 0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 1.0, 0.5), during which SEA went 6-0 and held their opponents to 3, 3, 14, 7, 6, 6

Before that, SEA was 6-4 and held their opponents to 16, 30, 20, 17, 30, 28, 9, 24, 17, 24

Pete Carroll calls losing Hill "a big deal"

Seattle Times:

"Hill gave the Seahawks exactly what they had missed earlier in the season: A viable pass-rusher up the middle who could cut off lanes for quarterbacks to step up in when other defensive linemen got pressure on the outside. He played mostly in passing situations, and he got progressively better during the season. When talking last week about the possibilities of Hill not playing against the Panthers, Carroll said, “It would be a big deal if we don’t have him.”

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2025397857_seahawksnotes07xml.html

[jdpanther5]

I'm actually surprised Stew got 80 yards behind that line. And doing it on 16 carries is still 5 YPC.

Stew's been great, running hard all year. The problem is he kept getting hit behind the LOS, now that he's getting some space he's playing like a clear feature back.

[Tom]

Jordan Hill has been Seattle's best interior past rusher (third most sacks on the team) this season. Hill is rarely in on obvious run downs (Williams and McDaniel are their big bodies) and hasn't been very good against the run (according to PFF). His loss will hurt their pass rush but probably not their run D. They are pretty good against the run at every level. Going to be tough sledding

 

 

[gettlemanjack]

Hill had his 5.5 sacks over SEA's last 6 games (1.0, 0.0, 1.0, 2.0, 1.0, 0.5), during which SEA went 6-0 and held their opponents to 3, 3, 14, 7, 6, 6

Before that, SEA was 6-4 and held their opponents to 16, 30, 20, 17, 30, 28, 9, 24, 17, 24

Pete Carroll calls losing Hill "a big deal"

Seattle Times:

"Hill gave the Seahawks exactly what they had missed earlier in the season: A viable pass-rusher up the middle who could cut off lanes for quarterbacks to step up in when other defensive linemen got pressure on the outside. He played mostly in passing situations, and he got progressively better during the season. When talking last week about the possibilities of Hill not playing against the Panthers, Carroll said, “It would be a big deal if we don’t have him.”

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2025397857_seahawksnotes07xml.html

Hill was SEA's sack leader over the last 6 games with his 5.5 sacks (next best were LB Bruce Irvin with 3.5 and DEs Michael Bennett and Cliff Avril with 3.0 each)

Hill accounted for 37.9% of the sacks by the SEA DL over the last 6 games and 22.9% of SEA's total sacks over the last 6 games