Mike Shula's Offense

[tondi]

I don't have a problem with a ball control offense. Despite the media fawning over quick strike offenses, a seven minute td drive is far more destructive to just about everything the other team hopes to achieve than is a two minute TD drive.

Having said that I'm still in favor of bringing in someone else this off season. Ball control and a dominant running game doesn't have to equate to predictable and inflexible.

[PghPanther]

Actually intelligent men choose to look at the facts and let them influence their decisions and are willing to adjust their opinions when the facts suggest as they overwhelming do now.  Those who keep the same opinion and then look for facts which just agree with their already formed opinion are not considered by most folks as intelligent. Most folks on here do the latter not the former.

 

Here here.......well stated.

 

Your description of intelligent men fits the role of the scientific method of discovery and applied technology to society......................where the latter description fits the theist who make absolute truth claims and then search for evidence to back up their claims while ignoring everything else........aka confirmation bias.............

 

[MadHatter]

Still question the play calling. We threw the ball way too much against Arizona. He gets too cute when we get to the 35 and usually ends up in us kicking a long field goal

 

We ran the ball very well against them early.....they starting putting 8-9 in the box to try and stop the run....you then pass them out of that alignment.

 

The problem on Sat night was that Cam missed a handful of open receivers and the WR's dropped quite a few balls.

 

Otherwise, it would have been a bloodbath.

[MadHatter]

Here here.......well stated.

 

Your description of intelligent men fits the role of the scientific method of discovery and applied technology to society......................where the latter description fits the theist who make absolute truth claims and then search for evidence to back up their claims while ignoring everything else........aka confirmation bias.............

 

 

Let's leave the religion discussion to the TB....otherwise, this thread will be in the toitel real quick.

[uncfan888]

We ran the ball very well against them early.....they starting putting 8-9 in the box to try and stop the run....you then pass them out of that alignment.

 

The problem on Sat night was that Cam missed a handful of open receivers and the WR's dropped quite a few balls.

 

Otherwise, it would have been a bloodbath.

I feel like we could've ran the ball every single play and that game would have been a shut out. that's why i think we passed the ball too much. It just wasnt really called for when playing that inept of an offense.

 

Cam can't miss open receivers and they can't drop balls or that will spell doom in Seattle

[top dawg]

Actually intelligent men choose to look at the facts and let them influence their decisions and are willing to adjust their opinions when the facts suggest as they overwhelming do now.  Those who keep the same opinion and then look for facts which just agree with their already formed opinion are not considered by most folks as intelligent. Most folks on here do the latter not the former.

 

The fact is that Shula's history in the red zone, regardless of talent, has not been good. An intelligent person should not argue against that fact in my opinion, but to each his own.

[CarolinaSamurai]

Shula has been bad or mediocre at best. Just because we are doing well for 5 games doesn't make him a great OC. Without a good DEF he's one dimensional he also can't adjust after the half. It would be nice to get a better candidate.

[MHS831]

Since December 7th, the Panthers have scored the following points.....

41 against the Saints

19 against the Bucs

17 against the Browns

34 against the Falcon

27 against the Cardinals

That's an average of 27.6 points per game. Do you think we have finally found a identity to this team? Found some consistency? I was a big critic of his early this year and honestly expected a change after our losing streak. If we get to the NFC championship game does he stick next year? Contrast from the losing streak we had....

17 against the Packers

9 against the Seahawks

10 against the Saints

21 against the Eagles

17 against the Falcons

13 against the Vikings

That's an average of 14.5 points per game. What are your thoughts?

 

The improved defense (14 points of that Atlanta 34, for example) probably has more to do with the point increase than an change in offensive philosophy and production.

 

[panthers55]

The fact is that Shula's history in the red zone, regardless of talent, has not been good. An intelligent person should not argue against that fact in my opinion, but to each his own.

The only history that matters is as a Panther OC which is 2013 and 2014. In 2013 we scored a touchdown on 52% of our redzone possessions good for 19th. But rankings are often not that useful since the 5th ranked team only converted 7 % more which I doubt would be statistically significant.

in 2014 we converted 48% which is lower and good for 24th. But let's be real here without Cam for 2 games, Stewart for 3, Tolbert for a half dozen, who was going to be scoring. It isn't Shula as much as not many redzone options this year. Some we thought would be good like Dickson and Benjamin have been pretty disappointing. In the last 3 games when we have most folks healthy and a decent O line it is right at 60%.

Those are the facts coupled with my explanation. Now we can have an intelligent conversation once the facts are known.

[panthers55]

The improved defense (14 points of that Atlanta 34, for example) probably has more to do with the point increase than an change in offensive philosophy and production.

You can't really separate one from the other. One feeds off the other. Just like at least 8 of the Cardinal 16 points were due to a planned safety and 2 offensive gaffes (assuming they were in field goal range already). That is why football is one of the ultimate team sports.

[top dawg]

The only history that matters to me is as a Panther OC which is 2013 and 2014. In 2013 we scored a touchdown on 52% of our redzone possessions good for 19th. But rankings are often not that useful since the 5th ranked team only converted 7 % more which I doubt would be statistically significant.

in 2014 we converted 48% which is lower and good for 24th. But let's be real here without Cam for 2 games, Stewart for 3, Tolbert for a half dozen, who was going to be scoring. It isn't Shula as much as not many redzone options this year. Some we thought would be good like Dickson and Benjamin have been pretty disappointing. In the last 3 games when we have most folks healthy and a decent O line it is right at 60%.

Those are the facts coupled with my explanation. Now we can have an intelligent conversation once the facts are known.

 

FIFY

 

I strongly believe that you're being shortsighted by suggesting that only Shula's two years as our O.C. is the only history that matters. In a way it's outrageous, and I see it less as a sign of intelligence, and more of a sign as someone with a degree of intelligence who just wants to be contentious, if not pretentious. 

 

I really don't care to have any conversation on the matter as I already stated. We have already been involved in conversations on this matter ad nauseam.  As I have stated months ago on this same subject, I believe that you have a strong desire---for whatever the reasons---to keep masquerading your opinions as fact.  Earlier in this thread, I already suggested to you that there is no need for the song and dance, and, for my part, I won't be dancing to the same old tune. To do so is not the mark of intelligence, but insanity. 

[PantherFanOne]

For a Shula offense to have success it has to be able to run the ball,something that has been happening since our OL jelled and Stewart returned.

[panthers55]

FIFY

I strongly believe that you're being shortsighted by suggesting that only Shula's two years as our O.C. is the only history that matters. In a way it's outrageous, and I see it less as a sign of intelligence, and more of a sign as someone with a degree of intelligence who just wants to be contentious, if not pretentious.

I really don't care to have any conversation on the matter as I already stated. We have already been involved in conversations on this matter ad nauseam. As I have stated months ago on this same subject, I believe that you have a strong desire---for whatever the reasons---to keep masquerading your opinions as fact. Earlier in this thread, I already suggested to you that there is no need for the song and dance, and, for my part, I won't be dancing to the same old tune. To do so is not the mark of intelligence, but insanity.

So you think I am outrageous contentious and pretentious because I don't think that what an OC did 15 years ago with a team in another era has any direct correlation to what he is doing now.? Were those words on your high school spelling list or are boning up for the SAT or GRE.

So do you think that a guy on his first job should be judged 15 years later as being the same with no consideration for experience or knowledge gained. Only a college student or someone with little world experience would believe that.

So you don't want a conversation and then proceed to have one. And you say I masquerade my opinions as facts as if you know the difference which you don't. And if you aren't dancing to the same tune why do you say the same thing over and over and pretend it isn't the same old ignorant uninformed crap you have been throwing around for months. If you can't see that this offense is much improved because of the o line and stability at running back and that Shula finally has the pieces to run this offense which includes a good defense then do me a favor and don't respond since you don't want a conversation and you don't have a clue.

Waits for TD to again have another non-conversation conversation.

[panthers55]

I feel like we could've ran the ball every single play and that game would have been a shut out. that's why i think we passed the ball too much. It just wasnt really called for when playing that inept of an offense.

Cam can't miss open receivers and they can't drop balls or that will spell doom in Seattle

No you can't run the ball on every play in the NFL. Teams load the box to stop that. You pass when they expect you to run and run when they expect you to pass. And it wasn't the offense we were running against but the defense and theirs is actually pretty decent.