DeAngelo has become borderline annoying on social media.

[*FreeFua*]

Stewart can't even run behind a bad o-line and was just as inconsistent. Before the offensive line started to take shape against Minnesota Stewart only averaged 3.5 yards per carry or more in 4 of his previous 8 games.

It's time to give the guy a chance to run behind this offensive line.

Like I said before,

60%- Stew

30%- DWill

10%- Tolbert

We obviously aren't going to agree on this but I understand what you're saying.

I just don't think right now is the time to be giving anyone a chance. If Ron wants to start Deangelo next year week 1 and give him every chance than go for it, but not right now. This team has been doing too good to mess with things. I also think Stewart benefits from knowing he's getting 90% of the carries and it's easier for him and the offense to get into a rhythm.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

We obviously aren't going to agree on this but I understand what you're saying.

I just don't think right now is the time to be giving anyone a chance. If Ron wants to start Deangelo next year week 1 and give him every chance than go for it, but not right now. This team has been doing too good to mess with things. I also think Stewart benefits from knowing he's getting 90% of the carries and it's easier for him and the offense to get into a rhythm.

DeAngelo won't be in the team next year, in my opinion.

And there is an easy solution to this dilemma.

Give Tolbert's carries to DeAngelo. If this fan base should be mad at anyone it should be Mr. 2.1 yards per carry.

Tolbert can take Fozzy's (he gets about two a game) carries.

Problem solved.

[CRA]

Incredibly different scenario.

DeAngelo has to rely on his offensive line to succeed. Outside of a decent pass rush, safety's are primarily solely responsible for his actions. Williams hasn't had the opportunity to run behind this offensive line. Give him a few carries once we're into the flow of the game and see how he reacts.

As for Fozzy, he has barely even been getting any carries. He had 7 carries in the Atlanta game due to the score. In the previous 4 games.... he's had a total of 7 carries. So in conclusion, DeAngelo isn't taking away carries from Fozzy, he's taking them away from Tolbert.

DBs depend on a defensive front.

DeAngelo is old and slow. OL wasn't holding him back. Stewart has ran the same way all season long. Now he just gets to do it all game....which mean he breaks an occaasional one. Yet people still act like OL is this huge difference maker. Every week 28 appears to be had at the line or behind it......but unlike 34 he makes plays out of it. Insert Williams just means we get behind the chains. Those scenarios haven't been removed

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

DBs depend on a defensive front.

DeAngelo is old and slow. OL wasn't holding him back. Stewart has ran the same way all season long. Now he just gets to do it all game....which mean he breaks an occaasional one. Yet people still act like OL is this huge difference maker. Every week 28 appears to be had at the line or behind it......but unlike 34 he makes plays out of it. Insert Williams just means we get behind the chains. Those scenarios haven't been removed

- That's exactly what I said but it's not as crucial. Look at Cinncy's secondary. They've been really solid this year while their front has been terrible.

- Also, Stewart has not run the same way the whole year. He's averaged 3.5 ypc in only half of the games he's played (4 of 8). This literally proves that the OL is the difference as outside of the Atlanta game this past week, he's averaged over 3.5 ypc since Norwell, Turner, and Remmers became regulars.

- Like I mentioned above, give Tolbert's carries to Williams. Tolbert has been the worst back on the roster this year averaging 2.1 ypc. Give six or seven carries to Williams and see what he's got. You also can't make the "continuity" argument here because of how bad Tolbert has been.

- You can't argue with facts and really it doesn't matter what yours or mine opinion is because we're not the coach.

- However, we all know that DeAngelo will get some carries.

- I think he'll prove some people wrong.

[CLG]

Edit: Will add my response later.. phone is acting up.

[TheRumGone]

- That's exactly what I said but it's not as crucial. Look at Cinncy's secondary. They've been really solid this year while their front has been terrible.

- Also, Stewart has not run the same way the whole year. He's averaged 3.5 ypc in only half of the games he's played (4 of 8). This literally proves that the OL is the difference as outside of the Atlanta game this past week, he's averaged over 3.5 ypc since Norwell, Turner, and Remmers became regulars.

- Like I mentioned above, give Tolbert's carries to Williams. Tolbert has been the worst back on the roster this year averaging 2.1 ypc. Give six or seven carries to Williams and see what he's got. You also can't make the "continuity" argument here because of how bad Tolbert has been.

- You can't argue with facts and really it doesn't matter what yours or mine opinion is because we're not the coach.

- However, we all know that DeAngelo will get some carries.

- I think he'll prove some people wrong.

 

but we need tolbert in pass protect and he can make some plays out of the backfield.

 

also that big man sets up play action nicely especially on 3rd and shorts. Whoever is deciding which RB goes out there needs to be situationally aware, but at the same time give stewart plenty of snaps to get into a rhythm. Got to continue feeding the hot hand from games past, not try and decide who is hotter at the beginning of the game, we can't afford the time.

 

[teeray]

Some of you guys are rediculous.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

but we need tolbert in pass protect and he can make some plays out of the backfield.

also that big man sets up play action nicely especially on 3rd and shorts. Whoever is deciding which RB goes out there needs to be situationally aware, but at the same time give stewart plenty of snaps to get into a rhythm. Got to continue feeding the hot hand from games past, not try and decide who is hotter at the beginning of the game, we can't afford the time.

Tolbert has been lethargic this year even his blocking has been suspect at times. Not to mention, he hasn't even caught a pass out of the backfield since our win in New Orleans and he only has 12 total receptions on the year. However if you're really worried about the protection issues there are also ways to involve DeAngelo as the running back while not eliminating Tolbert from the game and becoming predictable (i.e. 21 personnel, you can run or pass out of it).

I also said earlier that Tolbert should continue to get the short yardage carries (even though most of those have been going to Stew and Cam lately).

I'm perfectly fine with giving Stewart 17 or 18 carries while giving D-Will 6 or 7 carries. I still believe their running styles compliment each other and with a team that has played the run well this year (though not recently), change of pace backs can be really successful.

[Panthro]

Meh what he responded with is fine. That being said I just sent him a 48hr pox

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I think Williams will surprise some people come Saturday.

The guy has been blasted these past few weeks with people telling him to stay injured or wishing that his hand will never heal (which is ridiculous).

He's got a chip on his shoulder and while I think Stew gets the majority of the carries, I think Williams will perform well in his limited carries.

[CRA]

- That's exactly what I said but it's not as crucial. Look at Cinncy's secondary. They've been really solid this year while their front has been terrible.

- Also, Stewart has not run the same way the whole year. He's averaged 3.5 ypc in only half of the games he's played (4 of 8). This literally proves that the OL is the difference as outside of the Atlanta game this past week, he's averaged over 3.5 ypc since Norwell, Turner, and Remmers became regulars.

- Like I mentioned above, give Tolbert's carries to Williams. Tolbert has been the worst back on the roster this year averaging 2.1 ypc. Give six or seven carries to Williams and see what he's got. You also can't make the "continuity" argument here because of how bad Tolbert has been.

- You can't argue with facts and really it doesn't matter what yours or mine opinion is because we're not the coach.

- However, we all know that DeAngelo will get some carries.

- I think he'll prove some people wrong.

Eye ball test with Stewart shows he largely runs similar as he did early on.

Diffefence and ypc difference is largely opportunity. He runs strong....not that he gets 20 rush attempts vs 6....he is on the field long enough that he breaks one.

Plus the fact with 28 we can now go heavy shotgun....another thing 28 simply does well that 34 doesn't. So we now have a heavy mix of those into our gameplan since 28 has been featured

Tolbert is drain right now too...

Biggest issue for 34 is he has no real strength. Can't give him Tolberts bc Tolbert's role is different.

Williams is an early down traditinal runner.....and that kills us. Bc he isn't good anymore. Williams decline began a couple years ago. None of this should be a surprise.....and the OL doesn't explain away his clear decline into what he now is

Stewart has as many 100 yard games the last 4 weeks as Williams does the last 3 years. People let 1 random game by Williams here or there mask his steady decline as a RB. Now people are trying to act it was just the OL. It's him

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Eye ball test with Stewart shows he largely runs similar as he did early on.

Diffefence and ypc difference is largely opportunity. He runs strong....not that he gets 20 rush attempts vs 6....he is on the field long enough that he breaks one.

Plus the fact with 28 we can now go heavy shotgun....another thing 28 simply does well that 34 doesn't. So we now have a heavy mix of those into our gameplan since 28 has been featured

Tolbert is drain right now too...

Biggest issue for 34 is he has no real strength. Can't give him Tolberts bc Tolbert's role is different.

Williams is an early down traditinal runner.....and that kills us. Bc he isn't good anymore. Williams decline began a couple years ago. None of this should be a surprise.....and the OL doesn't explain away his clear decline into what he now is

Stewart has as many 100 yard games the last 4 weeks as Williams does the last 3 years. People let 1 random game by Williams here or there mask his steady decline as a RB. Now people are trying to act it was just the OL. It's him

I pretty much agree with the first few paragraphs.

However, how do you (or I) know it's not (or is) just the OL? Speed backs really rely on their OL, we're seeing that in Dallas this year. Stewart is make something out of nothing due to his strength. Williams literally rely's on the OL to hold their blocks just long enough so he can get to the first level. The only way to find out if it's the OL is to give D-Will a few carries. That doesn't mean he starts and gets the majority of the carries. That means he gets 20 or 30 percent of the carries as a change of pace back to Stewart. There's no harm in that. Literally none.

The only thing I would like to point out is that you're not giving Tolbert's role to Williams, your giving his carries to Williams. I was telling Rum that 21 personnel would work great with those two because Tolbert can still be used as the primary blocker and can also be threat out of the backfield as where Williams can be the primary "running back" if you will; in this particular personnel group.

[Cpt slay a ho]

d will hasn't played bad this season when he was in games,it's just that stewart has been on it ever since d will got injured

 

 

[R0CKnR0LLA]

technically he's right in saying he adds another dimension to our offense, we don't have anyone else on the roster that will run into the back of an OLineman and fall down