"He's the most athletic Quarterback... Ever"

[B.BERSIN]

Most athletic ≠ winningest

[heel31ok]

Why mention that?

This is about cam the qb for the carolina Panthers and his skill set

 

why not mention it? Oh I forgot the sacrosanct nature that is all things Newton.

 

[KendrickPanther]

If he actually watched our games and "supported" him, he'd realize that most of these things aren't his fault. 

 

Fug this guy. He wants to be relevant. 

 

He quoted Cam's statistical decline. Completely ignoring the Shula change in philosophy.

[pstall]

I may be the only one on this, while also being a believer in cam. This game should be put on his shoulders, the big games should rely on your all pro qb to get the job done. Although it doesnt discount the fact it is a team sport and we have to have a collective effort from everyone to get the W. But cam has yet another opportunity to prove he is a big time player. And if he can do this it will go along way in proving that, if not, well you know where losing gets you. I love cam, but i wanna see him

Become what we expect, and he expects, and i think he is, a born winner. I dont think kriegel is that far off base.

Consistent losing franchise's are good at putting a game on one player's shoulders.

This is the double edge sword of the fan base. Some only see Cam and some only see Cam do bad.

More should look to the team etc. The San Antonio Spurs say hi.

[TheRumGone]

why not mention it? Oh I forgot the sacrosanct nature that is all things Newton.

It was irrelevant to the video in the OP

[heel31ok]

It was irrelevant to the video in the OP

 

how so when the op includes a comparison of all QB's? that makes it relevant.

[Gabeking]

Think a lot of you have a bit of recency bias, any of you remember Vick in his prime and the shlt he did?

[Navy_football]

Think a lot of you have a bit of recency bias, any of you remember Vick in his prime and the shlt he did?

In his prime, Mike Vick was one if the fastest football players I've ever seen - not just QB.

[CRA]

you don't know much about rg3 do ya?

I know he is a one read QB who can't do much from inside the pocket

I know he isn't a good runner by NFL standards...as in he doesn't do a good job avoiding contact (had he issue in college too)

So yeah, I'd say I know a fair amount. I'd say the two coaches who benched him in consecutive seasons basically agree...

Then there is his attitude and work ethic and all that but that is a different subject

RGIII isn't impressive. Not the NFL version

[FootballMaestro]

you don't know much about rg3 do ya?

 

 

He is ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT.

 

RG3 is the poster child out of all the so called "Running QBs", especially the negative element of it.

 

Many of us (including me and others) pointed this out from day one, regardless of what the media said or what more optimistic Redskins fans felt. It was clear as a blue sky, cloudless, sunny, low humidity 100 mi visibility day.  So this is not an "After The Fact" statement since he's been struggling. Oh no.

 

The Redskins had the most gimmicky offense I've seen in recent times. It was a virtual Three Card Monty game back there with the ball. Seemingly100% of their snaps included motion, multiple fakes, and/or short, timed LOS-type throws. RG3 probably dropped back and read the defense, maybe 2-3% of the time his first year (if that)?

 

When he insisted his second year to drop back more, he was awful, sans Ultra Garbage time (which usually came very early) where he was able to pad his stats to make them look decent. Now even his current coach realizes he's garbage on the field (mind you his cancerous attitude in the locker, which he demonstrated from year one, which the Redskins owner tolerated, while the media ignored/suppressed it, till things got too bad in his second year to ignore).

 

Ironically, Shanahan knew RG3 wasn't ready, but nonetheless protected him with their scheme. So what does RG3 do after?...He goes behind his coaches back to the owner/Snyder, and says he wants to be a drop back/pocket QB, not even realizing how awful he was at it. Such hubris. Shanahan knew it was going to be a disaster, but didn't GAF anymore, cause he didn't like how Griffin used his owner against him and was sick of it by this time. Plus, he read the handwriting on the wall (by the end of the Griffins and the Skins terrible 2nd year with itchy fingered Snyder, so benched Griffin later, almost begging to be fired to some observers eyes).

 

Ultimately, RG3 sucked his second year as a pocket passer, and the media blamed Shanahan for it. Yes, we can blame Shanahan for playing RG3 that playoff game (though again; RG3 went behind the coaches back to the owner, and dropped not so veiled public comments/threats, stating he wanted to play). True. However/Once again; RG3 wasn't an NFL level drop back QB to begin with, regardless of what he did, or the media said during his rookie year. All you had to do was WATCH the games.

[FootballMaestro]

He quoted Cam's statistical decline. Completely ignoring the Shula change in philosophy.

 

This is what I normally hate/notice with the National media pertaining to the Panthers and Newton.

 

They show their total lack of knowledge and interest in the Panthers, by always being so quick to talk about Newton, rarely ever offering any other insight regarding anyone else on the team or in the organization.

 

I once heard Mike Florio on the Mac Attack, go in detail regarding how Chicago Bears players felt their Coach Trestman, is "not a leader of men"; adding "he's more of an analytical DC type and not a head coach". And I asked myself, "Why the hell can't any NATIONAL Media ever offer this analysis on Ron Rivera and the Panthers (cause that sure as hell sounded like Rivera to me), but they do on a relatively insignificant new coach such as Trestman.

 

Florio, continued ot go into more detail on how/why the Bears picked their current Head Coach, and the various cons to it. And I'm saying to myself, "this guy comes on the Mac attack every week, and except for a few Gannt hit pieces which drops some fairness, I've never heard anything "insider" or even FAN/close observer information regarding the Panthers from Florio, his PFT, or NBC TV, cable or Broadcast.

 

It's almost like the Panthers don't exist, till it comes to Cam Newton, and 97% of what's written about Newton is insufficient, or just flat out wrong!

[Navy_football]

Ever see Griffin drive the deep out into tight coverage? I remember him trying it once his rookie season and he ended up airmailing it 5 feet over his WR's head. He has no confidence throwing timing routes into tight coverage. He throws a great/soft deep ball though. Take away the bomb, and force him to throw outside the numbers and he'll fold every time. Not even about pressure for him. Just contain him running and take away the middle of the field.

[heel31ok]

I know he is a one read QB who can't do much much inside the from the pocket

I know he isn't a good runner by NFL standards...as in he doesn't do a good job avoiding contact (had he issue in college too)

So yeah, I'd say I know a fair amount. I'd say the two coaches who benched him in consecutive seasons basically agree...

Then there is his attitude and work ethic and all that but that is a different subject

RGIII isn't impressive. Not the NFL version

 

He's ruined now but pre injury is the point and his rookie year was more than impressive and in comparison to Cam the same excuse is given for shortcomings when injured. changing the standard does not really answer the question.Your skill of analysis are wanting. pre injury he was a good passer with a catchable ball in short intermediate and long passing game. 800 yds rushing is good by NFL standards as is a 102 QB rating. Doubling the win output and going to the playoffs just put the icing on the cake as an impressive season for RG3 .

 the attitude and work ethic were  not a question before he was hung out to dry by Shanahan and he went out and played with an injury when he never should have been permitted to play. That shows his willingness to do what it takes for the team. now one cannot blame him for a changed attitude as there has to be mistrust in an organization that just used him up and wants to throw him away. he was more than impressive as the healthy unspoiled RG3 , he is ruined and has to reinvent himself to have a sustained career in the NFL. the funny thing is I think he can do that but that remain to be seen. Bottom line is nothing supports your charge of unimpressive in the case of a pre injured RG3.

 

[heel31ok]

He is ABSOLUTELY 100% CORRECT.

 

RG3 is the poster child out of all the so called "Running QBs", especially the negative element of it.

 

Many of us (including me and others) pointed this out from day one, regardless of what the media said or what more optimistic Redskins fans felt. It was clear as a blue sky, cloudless, sunny, low humidity 100 mi visibility day.  So this is not an "After The Fact" statement since he's been struggling. Oh no.

 

The Redskins had the most gimmicky offense I've seen in recent times. It was a virtual Three Card Monty game back there with the ball. Seemingly100% of their snaps included motion, multiple fakes, and/or short, timed LOS-type throws. RG3 probably dropped back and read the defense, maybe 2-3% of the time his first year (if that)?

 

When he insisted his second year to drop back more, he was awful, sans Ultra Garbage time (which usually came very early) where he was able to pad his stats to make them look decent. Now even his current coach realizes he's garbage on the field (mind you his cancerous attitude in the locker, which he demonstrated from year one, which the Redskins owner tolerated, while the media ignored/suppressed it, till things got too bad in his second year to ignore).

 

Ironically, Shanahan knew RG3 wasn't ready, but nonetheless protected him with their scheme. So what does RG3 do after?...He goes behind his coaches back to the owner/Snyder, and says he wants to be a drop back/pocket QB, not even realizing how awful he was at it. Such hubris. Shanahan knew it was going to be a disaster, but didn't GAF anymore, cause he didn't like how Griffin used his owner against him and was sick of it by this time. Plus, he read the handwriting on the wall (by the end of the Griffins and the Skins terrible 2nd year with itchy fingered Snyder, so benched Griffin later, almost begging to be fired to some observers eyes).

 

Ultimately, RG3 sucked his second year as a pocket passer, and the media blamed Shanahan for it. Yes, we can blame Shanahan for playing RG3 that playoff game (though again; RG3 went behind the coaches back to the owner, and dropped not so veiled public comments/threats, stating he wanted to play). True. However/Once again; RG3 wasn't an NFL level drop back QB to begin with, regardless of what he did, or the media said during his rookie year. All you had to do was WATCH the games.

gimmicky that works is still success and the pre injured RG3 was impressive. Shanahan is blamed rightly so as that injury pretty much ruined who RG3 was at the time.