Voth speaks the truth on Cam

[User Name]

It's a Panthers thing more than a Cam thing IMO.

It's an inconsistent small market team thing...

 

Want the national media to gush over how great you are, go out and win, be playing in January year in and year out, that'll pretty much do it. 

[thefuzz]

It's an inconsistent small market team thing...

 

Want the national media to gush over how great you are, go out and win, be playing in January year in and year out, that'll pretty much do it. 

 

Yup.  Has nothing to do with Cam.

 

 

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[pstall]

Coming to the Huddle is like overhearing my 12 and 15 yr old daughters talk about their favorite bands or fashion. I'm like OMG did you hear what Jim Rome said about Cam? And I was like what. EVER.

[FootballMaestro]

You know what I noticed Sunday? Cam is good. Really good. I already knew that, but paying close attention Sunday, watching carefully, I saw him looking off defenders, going through reads, reading defenses, calling audibles and making throws into tight windows. He is way more advanced than his peers and he's way more advanced than the sports media gives him credit for.

 

I been saying this for ages.

 

It's actually an insult that he's grouped in with RG3, Kaepernick and YES The SAINTED Wilson, because he's actually a very different QB than those guys from the pocket.

 

Those guys all need a strong run game, constant misdirection, short/quick throws and motion.

 

You rarely see those guys drop back survey the defense and throw. It's usually pre-planned  and/or timed.

 

Newton came into the NFL throwing down field in the pocket. The run game, actually came after.

 

is Cam perfect??...Nope. Nonetheless, they're not even in the same league in the pocket.

[FootballMaestro]

I get his point, but if SportsCenter had gone all-in on this gutty performance, they also would have had to have shown that horrific pick he threw which people think is what he does all the time anyway. Wouldn't have mattered.

 

QB's throw INT's during games all the time; even bad INT's in games they win.

 

So not a big deal. Just watch Sportcenter (or a non 4 Letter Network alternative) every weekend to see that.

 

The bottom line is; he was injured/could have lost his life, then came back in the game, and made some great plays that overcame that interception, sealing a Panther win.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

You know what I noticed Sunday? Cam is good. Really good. I already knew that, but paying close attention Sunday, watching carefully, I saw him looking off defenders, going through reads, reading defenses, calling audibles and making throws into tight windows. He is way more advanced than his peers and he's way more advanced than the sports media gives him credit for.

It helps when our OC doesn't hand cuff Cam. There was a report that came out around our last loss that said Cam would only audible 20-30% of the time. These last few games show that newton is doing a lot more stuff presnap. He also doesn't look uncomfortable in the pocket like he did most of the season. That's because his olineman are no longer getting pancaked into his lap. I remember people bitching about his footwork and his "happy feet", yet all those problems disappear when he isn't worried about suffering a career ending injury every play

[User Name]

Isn't that what Luck or Brady or Manning get credit for?

 

Patriots 13-3 first AFC east

Broncos 11-4 first AFC west

Colts 10-5 frist AFC south

Might as well throw in Rogers 11-4, Romo 11-4, and Wilson 11-4

 

Vs Cam/Panthers 6-7-1

 

See a pattern? It's not about playing well enough to win a game, it's about doing it over and over again.

 

Go read Cam's clippings from last year especially the New England, Falcons and New Orleans games, actually go look up Cams clippings his first 4 years vs any other current QB with a loosing record, then come back and tell me it's all about Cam not getting enough credit, I believe he gets pretty much exactly the right amount considering his market size and success to date.

 

Don't get me wrong I prefer having my team front and center as much as anyone else, but I realize if that's what I want they need to do better, and I need to follow the outlets that cover my team regardless.

[User Name]

We did last year. Where was the credit?

 

 

Guess you didn't read where I said look up Cam's clippings from last year, he was a golden boy after NE game, all over everywhere, you just tuned that out.

 

No love from ESPN here huh 

 

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=331118029

 

And the rest you aren't getting the point, no one is paying attention to a 6-7-1 team that was left for dead a month ago and has only resurrected by beating teams they are supposed to while other division foes have not (given the saints win was big and guess what Cam's performance was lauded in that game).  I understand when people complain about Ryan, Stafford or Flaco getting too much love (do they?). But if you don't understand why the QB's of the teams that are playing in January year in and year out get love vs a guy with average stats and a below average winning percentage I guess there is no use in trying to explain it.

[FootballMaestro]

We did last year. Where was the credit?

If we're talking about patterns, then shall we bring up Rodgers' lack of leadership, Luck's poo play against top ten defenses, Romo costing his team games in the fourth quarter, Manning being one and done in the playoffs, etc?

If a winning record was the only obstacle, then Cam would've been talked about last year. Our defense got most of the credit instead.

 

Yup, and the offense was the clear leader Cam's first two years, they asked "but where's your winning record".

 

So when Cam has a winning record last year (with the Help of Shula, Rivera holding back the offense), they asked "where are your gaudy stats".

 

So what's the media say now going into Atlanta with a chance of clinching a playoff birth?

 

Though Cam's been the offense all his years in Carolina, with an inconsistent, sometimes non existent run game. However, as soon as Stewart (bless his heart) has a few good games after being MIA seemingly for 2 years, the guys on NBC Sunday Night Football focused on Stewart as the one to stop, or the player that may be the reason for Carolina winning. They actually said, Atlanta would want Newton to throw, as if Stewart was peak Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson after a few good games.

 

You can't make this up!

[The Huddler]

i coukd care less what the fuxking media says and none of you should either. Its fake and money driven. Greed. Ratings.

Does not care about acuraccy.

[TheWiz]

Actually I believe you don't understand how the sports media world works, of course it's not fair...

 

Personally I believe Cam was out of line with the classless comment, he doesn't know the intent of the cheers, by most peoples account the cheers were more based on the play( a big tackle for a loss on a flashy player)  than the perception of actual injury. It's not like Jambonie stayed down or really looked hurt writhing in pain, but that's not the issue. It is headline worthy when you call out the people responsible for the outrageous amount of money you get paid to play a game.

 

Like it or not Cam brings this on himself (and not by accident), if he doesn't want attention he needs to be professional in interviews and keep the answers to the game on the field or personal critique. Anytime any "franchise" QB steps outside that bubble it's going to be sound bites all over sportscenter, this isn't unique to Cam. if Peyton makes a bad joke it's a soundbite, when Brady calls out NE's fans it makes headlines (don't believe me google Brady calls out fans). 

 

As far as getting recognition for actual play, Cam plays for the panthers, and quoting the "great" JF it is what it is, until this team becomes constantly relevant they are also rans, meaning unless a great performance comes down vs one of the constantly relevant teams (see Cam vs NE last year) the praise won't come. Having a good drive to scrape out a win vs a team you should beat by 14 points isn't headline worthy, it's just not.

You can believe that Cam was out of line for what he says... But you're incredibly wrong.

There are fans who said that people were cheering Manziels injury and there are fans who said they weren't. Cam's statements basically said that if you're cheered for any player to be hurt, that's classless. He has every right to make that statement since he has been on the receiving end of it.

If you don't want Cam to be paid, then don't go to the game. He makes a lot of money, because he's good at something others are not... and he doesn't owe it to anyone to do anything.

You're a FAN. You're a consumer. You're going to see a show... it's the movies. Cam is an athlete... on par with a movie star, or a rock star. You're not a stock holder in a company... you're a Fan of a football team. You don't get a say.

Denzel Washington doesn't owe you anything. The Rolling Stones dont owe you anything because they're successful. Yes, they're appreciative to you for your support... but you bought it because you're a consumer.... a fan. So this whole idea that because Cam is making a lot of money, he is somehow indebted or obliged to the consumer is retarded.

But if a player gets hurt, its not only job-threatening, it effects their health. This is CLASSLESS. Don't start moralizing on Cam or anyone else because they don't do everything exactly the way you think they should.

If you have to be convinced of the medias bias against Cam, then you probably share that bias. Even when Cam is doing well... all of his compliments are backhanded or they find a way to credit his coaches for his development, or the defense. Of course he's not a perfect person... and he does some things on the field that make you shake your head... but this media cloud has been something that followed Cam around since before he was a Panther. And Im not sure that winning will solve it.

[User Name]

You totally missed it...

[FootballMaestro]

You can believe that Cam was out of line for what he says... But you're incredibly wrong.

There are fans who said that people were cheering Manziels injury and there are fans who said they weren't. Cam's statements basically said that if you're cheered for any player to be hurt, that's classless. He has every right to make that statement since he has been on the receiving end of it.

If you don't want Cam to be paid, then don't go to the game. He makes a lot of money, because he's good at something others are not... and he doesn't owe it to anyone to do anything.

You're a FAN. You're a consumer. You're going to see a show... it's the movies. Cam is an athlete... on par with a movie star, or a rock star. You're not a stock holder in a company... you're a Fan of a football team. You don't get a say.

Denzel Washington doesn't owe you anything. The Rolling Stones dont owe you anything because they're successful. Yes, they're appreciative to you for your support... but you bought it because you're a consumer.... a fan. So this whole idea that because Cam is making a lot of money, he is somehow indebted or obliged to the consumer is retarded.

But if a player gets hurt, its not only job-threatening, it effects their health. This is CLASSLESS. Don't start moralizing on Cam or anyone else because they don't do everything exactly the way you think they should.

If you have to be convinced of the medias bias against Cam, then you probably share that bias. Even when Cam is doing well... all of his compliments are backhanded or they find a way to credit his coaches for his development, or the defense. Of course he's not a perfect person... and he does some things on the field that make you shake your head... but this media cloud has been something that followed Cam around since before he was a Panther. And Im not sure that winning will solve it.

 

Can you imagine what some of these same fans, Cam critics would be saying if he agreed with or sympathized with the fans that cheered Manziel's being injured?

 

[User Name]

Can you imagine what some of these same fans, Cam critics would be saying if he agreed with or sympathized with the fans that cheered Manziel's being injured?

 

 

Can you imagine what they would have said if had made no comment at all? Maybe the panthers clip on sportscenter would have mentioned how Cam gutted out a win, maybe no mention of his news conference at all but he said what he said and it is what it is. The story comes off Newton calls Panthers fans classless, is it what he meant, no I don't think so, but he shouldn't have went there and if he doesn't know better by now his PR team has work to do..