Brandt: Draft position will likely be 21 (provided we get the W)

[Bj-Monster23]

After thinking about this long and hard, ive come to the conclusion that losing and securing a top 10 draft pick is the best course of action. Yes I get the whole, "Go team! Win at all costs! Anything can happen in the playoffs" argument, but the reality is we suck, we suck bad. How bad?!

We beat the absolute worst team in the league (Bucs) by a COMBINED 8 pts. We beat a reeling Browns team with a joke of a QB situation by 2 pts. We got beat by the 6 win Falcons AT HOME, the 5 win Saints AT HOME, we get destroyed by the Steelers at home in prime time, dont even get me started on the Packers game.

Im actually quite stunned that I see some people on here make the claim "oh I hope we play the Lions in the playoffs, we beat them once we will do it again." Your kidding right? How did that line of thinking work out for us last year against the 9ers?!

Yes, "Anything can happen" in the playoffs. But does anyone in their right mind think we stand any chance whatsoever against the Packers or Seahawks, or hell, even the Cowboys for that matter?! No way.

Not to pile on, but the fact we would fall even further in the draft by actually beating a Cards team with a QB that hasnt thrown a TD pass in 181 pass attempts is a totally different story. So ask yourself, do you really think its worth dropping from top 10 alllll they way to top 20 or possibly even 25 for what?! The bragging rights of winning the NFCs back to back? So what, noone is going to care about that a few years down the road.

Dont get me wrong, if I felt we had a legit shot at just the NFC championship game, I would be 110% behind us making a playoff run, but here is exactly what will happen if we win Sunday.. We will destroy a Cards team with a joke of a QB, (while falling even further down the draft board mind you) then go get destroyed by the Pack or Seahawks, then all we will be is a 7 win team that will be picking between top 20-25 while our NFCs rivals ALL get top 10 picks.

Bottom line; I hate to say it, but im hoping for a loss.. Sorry

Really? You should be ashamed! We have a chance to make the playoffs and make history. If we win we can get in and nothing makes me more happy then the Panthers in the playoffs with a chance to make a run!

[CharlottePanther]

We should be able to give negative pie.

Ok, remember that come draft time when our NFCs rivals all have top 10 picks and meanwhile we will be picking in tje 20s with still a lot of holes to fill. Im sorry, but in this case we have more to gain from a loss then a win. Not only does us winning ensures we get a top 10 pick, it also makes our rival in the Falcons drop all the way to the 20s.

If I felt we could make a legit run in the playoffs, then I would be all for it. I think people are overrating this whole "back to back NFCs champs first time." Big deal, seriously, why does that matter?

I dont believe in things like "momentum" or "playoff experience". Bengals have the most "playoff experience" out of most other teams, and how many playoff games have they won?

Look at our 2011 season, we won a few games in a row in December, everyone on here was claiming, that will "momentum" was something to build off and made us think we where primed for a playoff run the following season, next season we go 7-9.

This season has been a terrible failure, we do not deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs and I have 0 confidence we would make a deep playoff run.

Sorry, we just stand more to gain from a loss.

Oh, and one more thing. Pretend we where in the same position in 2011, making the playoffs with a 7 win record. Guess what would have happened, we would have fallen in the draft and into the 20s and completely missed out on Luke Kuechly.

Now ask yourself, would you rather have Keek or be one and done in the playoffs? Just sayin

[Jackofalltrades]

why did Philly cut Barner if this was the case.let me guess bad oL,right,lmao.

Yeah, that's meant every RB would be successful.

[bandu]

Yeah, that's meant every RB would be successful.

you're the one saying your mamma could run behind a competent oL,not me.

[goodoleboy]

Ok, remember that come draft time when our NFCs rivals all have top 10 picks and meanwhile we will be picking in tje 20s with still a lot of holes to fill. Im sorry, but in this case we have more to gain from a loss then a win. Not only does us winning ensures we get a top 10 pick, it also makes our rival in the Falcons drop all the way to the 20s.

If I felt we could make a legit run in the playoffs, then I would be all for it. I think people are overrating this whole "back to back NFCs champs first time." Big deal, seriously, why does that matter?

I dont believe in things like "momentum" or "playoff experience". Bengals have the most "playoff experience" out of most other teams, and how many playoff games have they won?

Look at our 2011 season, we won a few games in a row in December, everyone on here was claiming, that will "momentum" was something to build off and made us think we where primed for a playoff run the following season, next season we go 7-9.

This season has been a terrible failure, we do not deserve to be anywhere near the playoffs and I have 0 confidence we would make a deep playoff run.

Sorry, we just stand more to gain from a loss.

Oh, and one more thing. Pretend we where in the same position in 2011, making the playoffs with a 7 win record. Guess what would have happened, we would have fallen in the draft and into the 20s and completely missed out on Luke Kuechly.

Now ask yourself, would you rather have Keek or be one and done in the playoffs? Just sayin

Yeah you are right. The Saints and Bucs are the only teams in the south who got it right. We should have rolled over a few weeks ago in NO

[ncfan]

1st LT

2nd RT

3rd LG/WR/SS

 

Double Dip on OT's.  Do everything we can to beef up this OL.  Don't want to see our Franchise QB we will be spending $$$ on at the top of the list by a wide margin of Hits taken.

Also would be Nice to have a Good RT opening holes in the run game.  Could you imagine how much help it would be to Cam and this offense with a half decent run game like when we had a healthy Otah plowing holes for our RB's.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

After thinking about this long and hard, ive come to the conclusion that losing and securing a top 10 draft pick is the best course of action. Yes I get the whole, "Go team! Win at all costs! Anything can happen in the playoffs" argument, but the reality is we suck, we suck bad. How bad?!

We beat the absolute worst team in the league (Bucs) by a COMBINED 8 pts. We beat a reeling Browns team with a joke of a QB situation by 2 pts. We got beat by the 6 win Falcons AT HOME, the 5 win Saints AT HOME, we get destroyed by the Steelers at home in prime time, dont even get me started on the Packers game.

Im actually quite stunned that I see some people on here make the claim "oh I hope we play the Lions in the playoffs, we beat them once we will do it again." Your kidding right? How did that line of thinking work out for us last year against the 9ers?!

Yes, "Anything can happen" in the playoffs. But does anyone in their right mind think we stand any chance whatsoever against the Packers or Seahawks, or hell, even the Cowboys for that matter?! No way.

Not to pile on, but the fact we would fall even further in the draft by actually beating a Cards team with a QB that hasnt thrown a TD pass in 181 pass attempts is a totally different story. So ask yourself, do you really think its worth dropping from top 10 alllll they way to top 20 or possibly even 25 for what?! The bragging rights of winning the NFCs back to back? So what, noone is going to care about that a few years down the road.

Dont get me wrong, if I felt we had a legit shot at just the NFC championship game, I would be 110% behind us making a playoff run, but here is exactly what will happen if we win Sunday.. We will destroy a Cards team with a joke of a QB, (while falling even further down the draft board mind you) then go get destroyed by the Pack or Seahawks, then all we will be is a 7 win team that will be picking between top 20-25 while our NFCs rivals ALL get top 10 picks.

Bottom line; I hate to say it, but im hoping for a loss.. Sorry

The panthers have substantially picked up their game lately on both sides of the ball, and a lot of it has been due to on field personnel changes. This leads me to believe that we will consistently improve from here on out. Call me crazy. But I will never root against the panthers, ever if we had 1 win. If we play to lose and get a high draft pick then who are we? Jaguars, Raiders, Bucs all fit that bill and they are sure all improving from that top 10 pick the last 3-5 years right?

[CharlottePanther]

The panthers have substantially picked up their game lately on both sides of the ball, and a lot of it has been due to on field personnel changes. This leads me to believe that we will consistently improve from here on out. Call me crazy. But I will never root against the panthers, ever if we had 1 win. If we play to lose and get a high draft pick then who are we? Jaguars, Raiders, Bucs all fit that bill and they are sure all improving from that top 10 pick the last 3-5 years right?

Because they have bad scouting and suck at drafting unlike us.

[Kuech the Sneak]

LT, WR, SS. Those are our top three needs as of right now. Don't care what order they're addressed in but damn do we need a tackle bad

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

At 21 the value pick might be a running back like Melvin Gordon or Todd Gurley. I'm not saying I agree with going that route, but that seems like a Gettleman move.

In 2011 the Giants rolled into the season with Bradshaw and Jacobs. The following year Jacobs was replaced with David Wilson who was drafted 32nd by the Giants.

The Panthers could go that route if they choose to release DeAngelo Williams.

Just something to think about.

[General_Purr]

Id be down with snagging a stud RB.. People forget about the future there too.

[Kuhndog94]

At 21 the value pick might be a running back like Melvin Gordon or Todd Gurley. I'm not saying I agree with going that route, but that seems like a Gettleman move.

In 2011 the Giants rolled into the season with Bradshaw and Jacobs. The following year Jacobs was replaced with David Wilson who was drafted 32nd by the Giants.

The Panthers could go that route if they choose to release DeAngelo Williams.

Just something to think about.

 

I'm down for drafting a RB. BUT we need either a LT or a SS first if they aren't filled in FA. 

[emhoward]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I say do whatever it takes to make our DLine elite again.

That doesn't necessarily mean take a player in the first round, but if he's there and he's BPA, I ****** him.

It's astonishing what constant pressure can do for an overall defense. Not to mention now we have corners who are actual playmakers themselves...

[Ruff]

name me One just One RB this past week (16) who was drafted past round 4 that had 100 all purpose yards.save your time and energy because you can't.you are referring to finding a diamond in the rough not a dime a dozen.

Arian Foster

Andre Williams (round 4)

Lamar Miller (round 4)

CJ Anderson

Latavius Murray

Want me to keep going?