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Running Backs by the Numbers


Jeremy Igo

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we can find other lead blockers who are just as good at a fraction of the price. He doesnt add much to the running game anymore. He isnt even that good at lead blocking. Hes just a big fat running back imo

Oh Huddler, Huddler, Huddler. You could not be more wrong my friend. lol

Now, I will admit that he has had a rather disappointing season. But...he has had both shoulder and chest injuries. Add in our O-line problems for most of the year, and it is easy for me to give him a break for this year.

First. Replacing him with a cheaper version is only going to hurt the team long term. Very few players are as versatile as Tolbert. Sure you can save some money, but you are going to get a lesser player for that money.

Second. When healthy, he is a hellofa player. And an important piece of the puzzle. That is all.

Lastly. Do you even watch the games? I always wanted to say that. May not be apropos for this discussion, but, I just felt the need to throw it in there. Nothing personal. Just trying to be semi-funny.

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How does keeping Stewy make Tolbert redundant? Tolbert does more lead blocking than actual running anymore. Whereas Stewy does no lead blocking. Tolbert is our only FB. Unless we bring in a FB that can replace him, Tolbert is probably going to be here again next year.

Also, Tolbert can fill in at RB if needed. And actually has great hands out of the backfield. Throw in that he is relatively cheap, and I can see him hanging around for at least the foreseeable future.

Then again, we don't use a FB all that often. But...IMO, Tolbert is a pretty valuable piece of the puzzle.

Stewy, Tolbert, and Fozzy would work for me for at least one more year.

 

tolbert does very little run blocking.

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tolbert does very little run blocking.

He does a poo ton more blocking than running. The problem was/is his health. He was dinged up most of the year. Add in our O-line problems, and it appears as though our whole backfield was poo.

Sure we can get a better lead blocker than Tolbert. But...chances are, that guy won't be nearly as versatile as Tolbert. Tolbert does way more, when healthy, than just lead block.

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How does keeping Stewy make Tolbert redundant? Tolbert does more lead blocking than actual running anymore. Whereas Stewy does no lead blocking. Tolbert is our only FB. Unless we bring in a FB that can replace him, Tolbert is probably going to be here again next year.

Also, Tolbert can fill in at RB if needed. And actually has great hands out of the backfield. Throw in that he is relatively cheap, and I can see him hanging around for at least the foreseeable future.

Then again, we don't use a FB all that often. But...IMO, Tolbert is a pretty valuable piece of the puzzle.

Stewy, Tolbert, and Fozzy would work for me for at least one more year.

 

based on price, i mean. but i'm ok with the three of them once we're off the books for deangelo. we've seen what good offensive line play and a healthy stew can do for the running attack… it yields benefits for everyone

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Oh Huddler, Huddler, Huddler. You could not be more wrong my friend. lol

Now, I will admit that he has had a rather disappointing season. But...he has had both shoulder and chest injuries. Add in our O-line problems for most of the year, and it is easy for me to give him a break for this year.

First. Replacing him with a cheaper version is only going to hurt the team long term. Very few players are as versatile as Tolbert. Sure you can save some money, but you are going to get a lesser player for that money.

Second. When healthy, he is a hellofa player. And an important piece of the puzzle. That is all.

Lastly. Do you even watch the games? I always wanted to say that. May not be apropos for this discussion, but, I just felt the need to throw it in there. Nothing personal. Just trying to be semi-funny.

I do watch games my friend! i may be drunk on my ass but i watch for sure!

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Oh Huddler, Huddler, Huddler. You could not be more wrong my friend. lol

Now, I will admit that he has had a rather disappointing season. But...he has had both shoulder and chest injuries. Add in our O-line problems for most of the year, and it is easy for me to give him a break for this year.

First. Replacing him with a cheaper version is only going to hurt the team long term. Very few players are as versatile as Tolbert. Sure you can save some money, but you are going to get a lesser player for that money.

Second. When healthy, he is a hellofa player. And an important piece of the puzzle. That is all.

Lastly. Do you even watch the games? I always wanted to say that. May not be apropos for this discussion, but, I just felt the need to throw it in there. Nothing personal. Just trying to be semi-funny.

He will be a 30 yr old RB next year....Tolbert is at the end.

And Tolbert looked like poo this year if you watched him before the injury. He is old. Generally speaking when discussing 30 yr old RBs......the "future" is mainly just referencing the past....bc there is no future.

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Oh Huddler, Huddler, Huddler. You could not be more wrong my friend. lol

Now, I will admit that he has had a rather disappointing season. But...he has had both shoulder and chest injuries. Add in our O-line problems for most of the year, and it is easy for me to give him a break for this year.

First. Replacing him with a cheaper version is only going to hurt the team long term. Very few players are as versatile as Tolbert. Sure you can save some money, but you are going to get a lesser player for that money.

Second. When healthy, he is a hellofa player. And an important piece of the puzzle. That is all.

Lastly. Do you even watch the games? I always wanted to say that. May not be apropos for this discussion, but, I just felt the need to throw it in there. Nothing personal. Just trying to be semi-funny.

 

Maybe a cheaper replacement would be a bit of a drop off but the money saved might help us get a better tackle.  Would that be worth it?

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yeah we need Cam leading the team in rushing once again.bad idea.

Yeah, you don't need a first round RB......for Cam not to lead the team in rushing. Just need an a good team around Cam. Need to get away from the illusion that a run game begins with a RB. A it begins with an OL.....and helps even more with a legit pass attack. Have that....and anyone can run. Proof can be seen on Sundays.

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