Marty Hurney on Cam Newton

[Rise of The Hive]

Let Cam be Cam.

[Paa Langfart]

cam is better when in the pocket, but when he is in the pocket he should have the freedom to make zomething out of nothing with his legs or use them to take advantage of holes he sees.

 

 

 

zank you dahling

 

[SteveSmithGaveMeAShiner]

How dare he pay probably the best player on the team at the time.

 

This argument again?

 

In a vacuum, the Williams signing was fine. But then you don't also pay Stew, and Tolbert, and waste late round lottery ticket picks on RBs instead of shoring up other positional deficiencies like the continuing problem at WR. It's not like the league was still in the era of one bell-cow back, run-first offenses. RBs were already a devalued asset. Marty tried to pay them all and it continues to handicap the team's offseason abilities.

[Cyberjag]

Not a popular thought on this board, but if you are looking at 2008 as what the team could do with both Stewart and Williams healthy, and if your boss is telling you that he wants the team built that way, and if both backs are still in prime years, then the moves makes a sort of sense. 

 

If the team had ripped off another 12-4 season riding two starting caliber backs, no one would have said a word about the contracts. Simply put, he gambled and lost.

[AceMan]

Why is Hurney still allowed to talk football?!

[teeray]

Not a popular thought on this board, but if you are looking at 2008 as what the team could do with both Stewart and Williams healthy, and if your boss is telling you that he wants the team built that way, and if both backs are still in prime years, then the moves makes a sort of sense. 

 

If the team had ripped off another 12-4 season riding two starting caliber backs, no one would have said a word about the contracts. Simply put, he gambled and lost.

 

With Fox's offense (that he ran here) you need two good backs.

 

But now we don't but are stuck with two big contracts that are hurting us

[General_Purr]

Cam is a great thrower when he has time, and some of the plays he has made for himself out of the pocket are seriously even something you couldn't do in Madden. I totally agree that he is a QB that is an athlete, in the media its shown the other way around.

[FootballMaestro]

Cam is a great thrower when he has time, and some of the plays he has made for himself out of the pocket are seriously even something you couldn't do in Madden. I totally agree that he is a QB that is an athlete, in the media its shown the other way around.

 

That's because they're quick to group him in with RG3 and Kaepernick (ironically Wilson's not, though he's not a great pocket QB himself; Russell likes motion), though Cam plays nothing like RG3, Kaep, and  yes Wilson from the pocket.

 

Those guys need Run games, trickery, motion and short, quick throws to succeed, while Newton's been the opposite during his NFL tenure, standing tall and still in the pocket when throwing. However, the media doesn't see to care or notice this.

 

[Cyberjag]

I like the Rodgers comparison, and think that Cam has potential to be even better.  Right now he's as old as Rodgers was when he first became a starter, and Cam is arguably having a better season.  Give him a line, another decent receiver, and firm instructions to go through all his reads before he takes off, and he'll be one of the best in the league.

[FootballMaestro]

@General _Purr

 

PS: I blame Rivera and Shula, for forcing Cam to run too much after having so much success almost exclusively from the pocket.

 

Those dummies, allowed the media to cajole them into "unleashing" Cam. What ever (roll eyes)!

 

If you look at Cam's tenure with the Panthers, he always seems to throw very well/best, when operating out of mostly pro sets, with a few Read Options sprinkled in, with Cam gaining most yards of his yards on scrambles when the pocket breaks down.

[London Loves Luke]

I like the Rodgers comparison, and think that Cam has potential to be even better.  Right now he's as old as Rodgers was when he first became a starter, and Cam is arguably having a better season.  Give him a line, another decent receiver, and firm instructions to go through all his reads before he takes off, and he'll be one of the best in the league.

 

People have to stop with this stuff - its unfair on Cam more then anything else. Go and actually watch Rodgers this season and then come back and try and compare Cam to him. 

[Cyberjag]

I'm not thinking of 2014 Cam and 2014 Rodgers, I'm thinking of 25 year old Cam and 25 year old Rodgers, who's gotten a ton better since then.

[FootballMaestro]

I like the Rodgers comparison, and think that Cam has potential to be even better.  Right now he's as old as Rodgers was when he first became a starter, and Cam is arguably having a better season.  Give him a line, another decent receiver, and firm instructions to go through all his reads before he takes off, and he'll be one of the best in the league.

 

I don't think Cam's problems are "taking off" to soon from the pocket. Not at all.

 

He's never really had that problem through out his career (especially with a good/healthy OL). Usually when he ran, it was the right time, and he gained a bunch of yards or first downs practically untouched.

 

The issue, is the focus of the called runs, read options, and short yardage situations in abundance. That's the problem. And the called runs needs to be significantly reduced.

 

Those things need to be extensively reduced. However, the Panthers don't exactly have the brightest coaching Brain Trust on the offensive side of the ball.

[General_Purr]

I think Rodgers and his WRs also have a more cohesiveness. Cam has that with Olsen, but everyone else he has only been throwing to for just a couple of months. 

 

You see Rodgers dropping bombs to Jordy, usually them connecting after the route was ran. Plus green bay has great pass blocking guards and tackles