Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

[Ruff]

And this is what you are advocating that we do with Cam as well?

Hoping the cap grows in two seasons enough to where we can sign him? Or just franchise tag him?

I am just trying to figure out exactly what you want to do with Luke's pending contract.

I've already said what I'd do with Cam's contract. I would wait this season out, then use the franchise tag on him while I negotiate out a longterm contract. Would I hope the cap grew? Yes, I would. But we don't have that luxury with Cam, we know what the cap will most likely be next year.

I don't know what I'd do with Luke, like I said. I understand you're trying to make me choose one of the other so you can say, "ha! Cam Hater in disguise!" or "You're just a Cam nuthugger". In reality, I think Luke will be the highest paid MLB ever. Whatever rate that comes at.

[Ruff]

He can, but contracts aren't drawn up in isolation. The market rate is what will dictate Luke's contract.

Absolutely. That's why I said my fear is Luke asks for a Watt contract, because he easily can.

[mcdougal]

Of course not, but these are the leaders of the team and are the players that we want to build the team around so you should be paying them what you need to to keep them here for the next few years. 

 

Look where our contracts are at the moment, more than a third of our money is spent on a centre, running backs and Defensive ends. None of these guys are the guys we're building our team around so that's why we, as Panther fans are so wary of paying out where its deserved. 

 

This is a conversation that we have had for the better part of 2 years now. I usually use another QB as an example, but today I decided to go with Luke, someone closer to home.

 

Folks on the Huddle love to scream about how smart organizations do not tie up all their money in the QB position, or in the case of Newton, infer that we should let him walk because he will become too expensive. The Huddle then claims that we won't be able to get go pieces around the QB if we pay Newton his market value after his rookie deal is up.

 

That begs the question? Should the Hawks let Wilson walk when he undoubtedly ask for 25 million a year? What about Colts and Luck, when he undoubtedly asks for something approaching 30 million a season? What about the Panthers and Luke? When he asks for a contract putting him at the highest paid MLB?

 

Should the Hawks, Colts, and Panthers take the "principle" and "reasoned" approach and tell Wilson, Luck, and Luke to go kick rocks, and ensure that no player, for risk of "sinking too much money into one position and handicapping the rest of the roster" is paid market value?

[TheRed]

Absolutely. That's why I said my fear is Luke asks for a Watt contract, because he easily can.

 

I don't think Luke is the type who is going to make outrageous demands. He's a simple guy, he doesn't seem to be all about the money from what I can tell. Is he going to get paid well? Absolutely. But my personal opinion? I don't see him demanding a "biggest ever" type contract.

 

I could be wrong though, who knows.

[Ruff]

I don't think Luke is the type who is going to make outrageous demands. He's a simple guy, he doesn't seem to be all about the money from what I can tell. Is he going to get paid well? Absolutely. But my personal opinion? I don't see him demanding a "biggest ever" type contract.

I could be wrong though, who knows.

The idea that Luke will take less money is ludicrous. Every player knows the precarious position they are in playing in the NFL. Just because he doesn't run his mouth like Richard Sherman doesn't mean he doesn't know his own worth.

[TheRed]

The idea that Luke will take less money is ludicrous. Every player knows the precarious position they are in playing in the NFL. Just because he doesn't run his mouth like Richard Sherman doesn't mean he doesn't know his own worth.

 

What is your definition of "less money"? You make it sound like I suggested that he will sign for a turkey sandwich.

 

I said he will be paid well.

[London Loves Luke]

Absolutely. That's why I said my fear is Luke asks for a Watt contract, because he easily can.

Gah, Luke is a linebacker and jj watt is a de/dt. Luke will get the top end of the going rate for LINEBACKERS, which is around 10m a year.

[London Loves Luke]

I envision a 14-16 mil a year type deal for Cam and a 9-11 mil for Luke. Each on a 5-6 year deal. Nothing too crazy but enough to show them we want them here for a while.

Finally a sensible post, I think the cam number might be higher because he has a high profile agent but together they shouldn't be above 30m.

[heel31ok]

The idea that Luke will take less money is ludicrous. Every player knows the precarious position they are in playing in the NFL. Just because he doesn't run his mouth like Richard Sherman doesn't mean he doesn't know his own worth.

 

he doesn't even have a nickname...

 

[Ruff]

Here's an article you all should read, especially the London dude.

http://mobile.sportingnews.com/article/4606769-jj-watt-contract-texans-impact-salary-cap-mario-williams-comparison-clowney-quarterback-draft

[Ruff]

What is your definition of "less money"? You make it sound like I suggested that he will sign for a turkey sandwich.

I said he will be paid well.

And what is your definition of "paid well"? Luke, in likelihood, will be the highest paid MLB ever. To think otherwise is asinine.

[London Loves Luke]

I don't think Luke is the type who is going to make outrageous demands. He's a simple guy, he doesn't seem to be all about the money from what I can tell. Is he going to get paid well? Absolutely. But my personal opinion? I don't see him demanding a "biggest ever" type contract.

I could be wrong though, who knows.

Your right on lukes personality but you forget he is reigning DPOY and he has an agent. He's likely to get the highest LB salary going.

[mcdougal]

I've already said what I'd do with Cam's contract. I would wait this season out, then use the franchise tag on him while I negotiate out a longterm contract. Would I hope the cap grew? Yes, I would. But we don't have that luxury with Cam, we know what the cap will most likely be next year.

I don't know what I'd do with Luke, like I said. I understand you're trying to make me choose one of the other so you can say, "ha! Cam Hater in disguise!" or "You're just a Cam nuthugger". In reality, I think Luke will be the highest paid MLB ever. Whatever rate that comes at.

 

I am not trying to make you choose anything...I am trying to fully understand you reasoning.

 

"It's not about 'sending the right message'. It's about making sure that, in the future, you're not in a situation where you have a player, any player, in a longterm deal with massive guaranteed money, because of the risks (injuries, mainly)."

 

^^^^ This is a very principle and logical policy. You want contracts that shift the burden of risks from the team to the players as much as possible. That's fair. Contracts 101.

 

What I am trying to understand is would you apply this policy indiscriminately.

[Ruff]

Gah, Luke is a linebacker and jj watt is a de/dt. Luke will get the top end of the going rate for LINEBACKERS, which is around 10m a year.

There's only been a few other defensive players ever sign a contract like Watt's. Williams was the other DE, and he got 96m.