Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

[Ruff]

Manning is top 5 in average NFL salaries right now.

Obviously I agree that the Panthers will also look to protect themselves.

But Newton has plenty of leverage here. Let's not kid ourselves. He's essentially been our offense. He's going to be paid well.

The question was 'will Cam be paid this offseason' not 'will Cam make massive amounts of money'. My answer is that, no, I don't think he will.

There will be a battle between Gettleman and Cam for the deal. Gettleman will use the Franchise Tag and Cam will use the offensive percentages.

[Pox 08]

Cam's agent would be a retard if he had Cam sign a deal like Kaep's.

 

9ers made it to the NFCCG the year before Kaep was the starter...they had a top 5 Oline, top 5 RB, top 5 TE,  and probably a top 5 WR duo at the time of Kaep's new contract.

 

 

You could look at it in two ways..  either the 9ers were saying that they didn't view Kaep as their franchise guy that they'd be willing to go all in on..

 

or..

 

 

 

Giving Kaep the ultra team friendly contract was a sign from the front office to Kaep that they would continue to build around him on offense.......and keep bringing in decent players and locking up the decent players they already have on offense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cam has bottom tier talent at WR to work with outside of KB.  .. a  bargain basement Oline..  an overpaid and very rapidly aging run game.. If I was Cam,  I would have zero faith that Gman would take that money he saved on Cam's "Team friendly" deal and reinvest it into the offense.     If anything ,  I can see Gman taking that extra money and investing it in the defense.

[Anybodyhome]

If you are good enough at your job and you know for a fact there are other companies, as well as the one you're currently employed by, who are willing to bid against each other and negotiate with you to bring you to their company, would you not at least listen to what those companies are going to offer?

 

Or will you simply sign where you are now, without knowing how much money or what employment situation you left on the table?

 

The Red, among a few others, continues to take shots at my opinion on this subject, but it's simply common sense. Do you take the first job offer, or do you look at the entire portfolio of offers and find the one that works for you? 

 

I'm not talking down Cam and I'm not banging on the team in this circumstance, it's a business decision. And smart businessmen look at all the offers they've been presented before making that decision. 

 

And, for the record, one of my degrees is from Auburn. I consider myself an alum, of sorts, and I've met and spoken with Cam Newton. I think he's a helluva young man and a tremendous athlete. I also think he's a better QB than he's played for the Carolina Panthers. He needs a QB guru and I think he'll be an outstanding QB. If that doesn't happen in Charlotte, so be it. I want to see the kid succeed.

[mcdougal]

Like I said, the deal was made famous for Kaep, because of concerns of what his mobility might lead to. The 49ers just churched it up in a fancy package, making it look like a longterm deal.

It's not about 'sending the right message'. It's about making sure that, in the future, you're not in a situation where you have a player, any player, in a longterm deal with massive guaranteed money, because of the risks (injuries, mainly).

 

So are we giving Luke a similar deal?

[Ruff]

So are we giving Luke a similar deal?

I honestly have no idea what Luke's contract will look like. I seriously hope he doesn't ask for JJ Watt money, or we could be totally fuged.

[London Loves Luke]

If you are good enough at your job and you know for a fact there are other companies, as well as the one you're currently employed by, who are willing to bid against each other and negotiate with you to bring you to their company, would you not at least listen to what those companies are going to offer?

 

Or will you simply sign where you are now, without knowing how much money or what employment situation you left on the table?

 

The Red, among a few others, continues to take shots at my opinion on this subject, but it's simply common sense. Do you take the first job offer, or do you look at the entire portfolio of offers and find the one that works for you? 

 

I'm not talking down Cam and I'm not banging on the team in this circumstance, it's a business decision. And smart businessmen look at all the offers they've been presented before making that decision. 

 

And, for the record, one of my degrees is from Auburn. I consider myself an alum, of sorts, and I've met and spoken with Cam Newton. I think he's a helluva young man and a tremendous athlete. I also think he's a better QB than he's played for the Carolina Panthers. He needs a QB guru and I think he'll be an outstanding QB. If that doesn't happen in Charlotte, so be it. I want to see the kid succeed.

 

The question for me is why would you're organisation let me have the chance to speak to others? If I'm that good then the organisation does what it can to guarantee my future and franchise tags and pay as you go deals aren't the answer. 

[London Loves Luke]

I honestly have no idea what Luke's contract will look like. I seriously hope he doesn't ask for JJ Watt money, or we could be totally fuged.

 

Linebackers get half the money DE/DTs get. No chance of a $100m contract for Luke. 

[mcdougal]

I honestly have no idea what Luke's contract will look like. I seriously hope he doesn't ask for JJ Watt money, or we could be totally fuged.

 

Let's say that Luke, like Cam or any other player save a few, ask for a long term deal with lots of guaranteed money to shift the risk allocation of injury to the team...

 

What would you do with Luke then, let him go?

[TheRed]

If you are good enough at your job and you know for a fact there are other companies, as well as the one you're currently employed by, who are willing to bid against each other and negotiate with you to bring you to their company, would you not at least listen to what those companies are going to offer?

 

Or will you simply sign where you are now, without knowing how much money or what employment situation you left on the table?

 

The Red, among a few others, continues to take shots at my opinion on this subject, but it's simply common sense. Do you take the first job offer, or do you look at the entire portfolio of offers and find the one that works for you? 

 

I'm not talking down Cam and I'm not banging on the team in this circumstance, it's a business decision. And smart businessmen look at all the offers they've been presented before making that decision. 

 

And, for the record, one of my degrees is from Auburn. I consider myself an alum, of sorts, and I've met and spoken with Cam Newton. I think he's a helluva young man and a tremendous athlete. I also think he's a better QB than he's played for the Carolina Panthers. He needs a QB guru and I think he'll be an outstanding QB. If that doesn't happen in Charlotte, so be it. I want to see the kid succeed.

 

You aren't exactly putting out other worldly information by suggesting that Newton will weigh all of his options.

 

See, you could have responded with the last bit of this post earlier without resorting to fellatio insults out of the blue. Good job.

 

[Ruff]

Linebackers get half the money DE/DTs get. No chance of a $100m contract for Luke.

Yeah, I agree. But that's what I'm saying, Luke can easily point to the growth in defense directly correlated to him, same as Cam can the offense.

[Ruff]

Let's say that Luke, like Cam or any other player save a few, ask for a long term deal with lots of guaranteed money to shift the risk allocation of injury to the team...

What would you do with Luke then, let him go?

I'd hope the cap grows in two seasons enoug where you can take up Luke's option then sign him or franchise tag him eventually.

[London Loves Luke]

Let's say that Luke, like Cam or any other player save a few, ask for a long term deal with lots of guaranteed money to shift the risk allocation of injury to the team...

 

What would you do with Luke then, let him go?

 

Of course not, but these are the leaders of the team and are the players that we want to build the team around so you should be paying them what you need to to keep them here for the next few years. 

 

Look where our contracts are at the moment, more than a third of our money is spent on a centre, running backs and Defensive ends. None of these guys are the guys we're building our team around so that's why we, as Panther fans are so wary of paying out where its deserved. 

[London Loves Luke]

Yeah, I agree. But that's what I'm saying, Luke can easily point to the growth in defense directly correlated to him, same as Cam can the offense.

 

He can, but contracts aren't drawn up in isolation. The market rate is what will dictate Luke's contract. 

[mcdougal]

I'd hope the cap grows in two seasons enoug where you can take up Luke's option then sign him or franchise tag him eventually.

 

And this is what you are advocating that we do with Cam as well?

 

Hoping the cap grows in two seasons enough to where we can sign him? Or just franchise tag him?

 

I am just trying to figure out exactly what you want to do with Luke's pending contract.