Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

[Ruff]

I get it man, no point arguing with a hater like you. I'm sure you can name loads of QBs that will be available in 2016 that will be better for the Panthers.

If only we had a way to prevent Cam from going anywhere for the next three years even without doing a longterm deal......................................................................................

[heel31ok]

Do you know he didn't?

 

Yes I know he didn't. but you are the expert  what is in his contract we can use to pay Cam and get him the support he needs?

 

[London Loves Luke]

If only we had a way to prevent Cam from going anywhere for the next three years even without doing a longterm deal......................................................................................

 

Franchise Tag for quarterbacks is 17m+, don't see the benefit of doing that instead of picking up a longer term deal. 

[heel31ok]

I get it man, no point arguing with a hater like you. I'm sure you can name loads of QBs that will be available in 2016 that will be better for the Panthers. 

 

which has what to do with the post you commented on? Again, context goes a long way.

 

[Ruff]

Franchise Tag for quarterbacks is 17m+, don't see the benefit of doing that instead of picking up a longer term deal.

The future deals of the NFL are going to be these short, choppy, one year guaranteed deals like San Fran has made with Kaep and like the Broncos made with Peyton.

The Franchise Tag protects you as a team. It allows DG the ability to have leverage, because players hate it. And it allows for an out in case the worst case scenario happens on the field.

[CelibatePimp]

I don't see why some people are in a hurry to pay Cam top QB money, as if that automatically makes him a top QB. Give him a smart team friendly deal. No more the 16mil I think and then continue to build the whole team.

[London Loves Luke]

The future deals of the NFL are going to be these short, choppy, one year guaranteed deals like San Fran has made with Kaep and like the Broncos made with Peyton.

The Franchise Tag protects you as a team. It allows DG the ability to have leverage, because players hate it. And it allows for an out in case the worst case scenario happens on the field.

 

I get it with a 34 yo Brees or 36 yo Manning, but with your 25 year old QB that you want to be your team leader and captain? Don't think it sends the right message. 

[TheRed]

The future deals of the NFL are going to be these short, choppy, one year guaranteed deals like San Fran has made with Kaep and like the Broncos made with Peyton.

The Franchise Tag protects you as a team. It allows DG the ability to have leverage, because players hate it. And it allows for an out in case the worst case scenario happens on the field.

 

Nope. It is not a one size fits all thing. Not every players situation is the same. Kaepernick had little leverage in San Fran.

 

By the way, I'm not sure why you lumped Peyton's contract in with that, but you might want to take a gander at it lol.

[Ruff]

I get it with a 34 yo Brees or 36 yo Manning, but with your 25 year old QB that you want to be your team leader and captain? Don't think it sends the right message.

Like I said, the deal was made famous for Kaep, because of concerns of what his mobility might lead to. The 49ers just churched it up in a fancy package, making it look like a longterm deal.

It's not about 'sending the right message'. It's about making sure that, in the future, you're not in a situation where you have a player, any player, in a longterm deal with massive guaranteed money, because of the risks (injuries, mainly).

[Ruff]

Nope. It is not a one size fits all thing. Not every players situation is the same. Kaepernick had little leverage in San Fran.

By the way, I'm not sure why you lumped Peyton's contract in with that, but you might want to take a gander at it lol.

The first year of Manning's deal with the Broncos will pay the quarterback $18 million without injury protection for the Denver Broncos, according to Brandt. The Broncos will then pay Manning $40 million guaranteed for the next two seasons, pending Manning passing a physical in March of 2013. The final two seasons of Manning's deal will pay out $19 million each season.

Those last $19m/yr are also only guaranteed for that independent year.

You might want to take a look at it again.

[TheRed]

The first year of Manning's deal with the Broncos will pay the quarterback $18 million without injury protection for the Denver Broncos, according to Brandt. The Broncos will then pay Manning $40 million guaranteed for the next two seasons, pending Manning passing a physical in March of 2013. The final two seasons of Manning's deal will pay out $19 million each season.

Those last $19m/yr are also only guaranteed for that independent year.

You might want to take a look at it again.

 

They are obviously protecting themselves, yes, but Manning is being paid damn good money. It's not like he's taking one for the team.

[Ruff]

They are obviously protecting themselves, yes, but Manning is being paid damn good money. It's not like he's taking one for the team.

Neither is Kaep. No player in the history of the NFL, especially at the QB position, is going to "take one for the team". That notion is laughable.

The teams created built-in protection for themselves by putting in injury risk, which is what I see Carolina wanting to do with Cam.

[TheRed]

Neither is Kaep. No player in the history of the NFL, especially at the QB position, is going to "take one for the team". That notion is laughable.

The teams created built-in protection for themselves by putting in injury risk, which is what I see Carolina wanting to do with Cam.

 

Manning is top 5 in average NFL salaries right now.

 

Obviously I agree that the Panthers will also look to protect themselves.

 

But Newton has plenty of leverage here. Let's not kid ourselves. He's essentially been our offense. He's going to be paid well.

[London Loves Luke]

Like I said, the deal was made famous for Kaep, because of concerns of what his mobility might lead to. The 49ers just churched it up in a fancy package, making it look like a longterm deal.

It's not about 'sending the right message'. It's about making sure that, in the future, you're not in a situation where you have a player, any player, in a longterm deal with massive guaranteed money, because of the risks (injuries, mainly).

 

Kaep's deal is actually a long term deal which is guaranteed only for injury, kind of going against your point: 

 

 

 

For 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and part of 2018, the base salaries are guaranteed only for injury.  On April 1 of each year, the guarantees convert from injury only to fully guaranteed.  That gives the 49ers the ability to decide, in any given year, to move on from Kaepernick. 

 

But I get the point your trying to make and I think it is definitely about sending the right message. No one in SF was ready to call Kaep the leader of that offence, whereas here we are moulding Cam into that and I don't think it shows him or the team that confidence if we were to give him a "try-out as you go" deal like Kaep's. 

 

Worth saying that I'm not suggesting we break the bank with a ludicrous offer, but we do the best we can to make the deal team friendly while giving him the confidence to know he'll be leading this offence for the next few years.