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Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

Jmac

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bigskypanthersguy Rising Star

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To me, obviously you pay him, but as far as wanting to win a championship or be a consistently playoff-level team, I can't see how they convince Cam to stay.  A season like this with all the free agent gaffes, the terrible coaching, and the overall terrible history of this franchise would make it very difficult to convince me to stay if I were Cam.  I'm not, of course, but I guess it just depends on what his top priority is.  Gettleman's going to have to do a hell of a lot better job this next offseason than he did this offseason to turn things around---but it seems we'll be in better shape, financially, too.

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rayzor Grand Master

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Jon Beason's contract was perfectly fine for his production and projected future, the flaw was his sudden inability to stay healthy and the actual structure of the deal.

The comparison to Cam and Luke to the DWill and Stew is....poorly thought out.

i agree about beason, although i think the timing of it was poorly thought out. hadn't he been on injured reserrve when the extension came about, or was the extension prior to it?
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i agree about beason, although i think the timing of it was poorly thought out. hadn't he been on injured reserrve when the extension came about, or was the extension prior to it?

 

He was coming back from an ankle thing.

I can't remember if it was the achilles rupture or not.

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TheRed Newbie

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I can't recall anyone on here being strongly opposed to the Beason extension when the news broke. He was a former all pro.

 

As for the Williams/Stewart extensions, you can't even compare signing a running back to signing a centerpiece franchise quarterback. We could practically find a running back off the street who could rush for 100 yards. Franchise quarterbacks are substantially harder to find.

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We actually have a good amount of cap next year. Once we get these aweful contracts off the tab we will be fine.

Many teams pay big bucks for QBs and stil have plenty of talent to surround them with.

We got $30 million just in dead money imagine that much spent on the secondary or OL....with the salary cap going up each year, we should have the $$ to retain core players for long term. Playoffs every year!

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teeray Rookie

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You would be amazed at what you could do if you didn't have 20 million dollars in dead money.

Yes you sign him. Don't even test the fate of him getting to free agency.

BY all accounts you have a franchise QB that wants to be here.

Why would you not sign him?

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All contracts are based on future production. You never pay for past performance. You pay for what you think you are going to get from the player out of the life of the contract.

Through the first six weeks of the season cam was the highest rated QB in the league from PFF and was an MVP candidate then his oline got riddled with injuries and you saw the drop. Cam was killing it purely from the pocket due to his injury.

I don't think you really know what you're talking him tbh

.  Your argument reveals inconsistent performance.  You say Cam was great behind the OLINE during weeks 1-6 and he was "killing it from the pocket" (by the way, there were 9 QBs with higher qb ratings during Cam's hot streak) but then you blame the OLINE because he dropped off statistically. That makes no sense.  It reveals that you give Cam credit for his success but blame his shortcomings on others--no wonder you have trouble making points.

 

Frankly, I am tired of having selective stats thrown at me from obscure sources to prove to me that Cam is great.  My point is this--he has not proven he can win consistently and he has shown that his style of play leads to lingering injuries.  He needs to run to win.  These facts are consistent with his record as a qb. The NFL QB is measured by wins and losses. There are not many great qbs on bad teams and there are not many great teams with bad qbs.  They are connected, which is why great QBs are measured by rings.  Nobody measures greatness by a six-game stretch where a qb has a hot streak according to some website.  Your argument is embarrassing.

 

Cam has all the tools and may be great with more support.  However, he has not earned a top contract given to elite qbs because he is not elite at this time--even if PFF thinks so.  I pray he will be, and I am excited about his potential when we put studs and stars around him, but he is what he is right now.  Giving him $120 million or so could wreck the franchise if he does not improve and become more consistent.  It is a huge gamble, and if you do not see it, you are biased.  I want him to be great, but if you are crowning him the MVP, you don't understand this game.

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.  Your argument reveals inconsistent performance.  You say Cam was great behind the OLINE during weeks 1-6 and he was "killing it from the pocket" (by the way, there were 9 QBs with higher qb ratings during Cam's hot streak) but then you blame the OLINE because he dropped off statistically. That makes no sense.  It reveals that you give Cam credit for his success but blame his shortcomings on others--no wonder you have trouble making points.

 

Frankly, I am tired of having selective stats thrown at me from obscure sources to prove to me that Cam is great.  My point is this--he has not proven he can win consistently and he has shown that his style of play leads to lingering injuries.  He needs to run to win.  These facts are consistent with his record as a qb. The NFL QB is measured by wins and losses. There are not many great qbs on bad teams and there are not many great teams with bad qbs.  They are connected, which is why great QBs are measured by rings.  Nobody measures greatness by a six-game stretch where a qb has a hot streak according to some website.  Your argument is embarrassing.

 

Cam has all the tools and may be great with more support.  However, he has not earned a top contract given to elite qbs because he is not elite at this time--even if PFF thinks so.  I pray he will be, and I am excited about his potential when we put studs and stars around him, but he is what he is right now.  Giving him $120 million or so could wreck the franchise if he does not improve and become more consistent.  It is a huge gamble, and if you do not see it, you are biased.  I want him to be great, but if you are crowning him the MVP, you don't understand this game.

 

It is incredibly foolish to simply throw out all of Newton's success and judge him solely on this season, a season in which just about every single player on this team has struggled at some point. You cannot just omit all of the contributing factors and say "welp, we can't pay him".

 

Give Newton the offseason to get 100%.

 

Shore up the OL, and get some fresh ideas in here for this offense, if that means a new OC, then do it. Shula isn't cutting it.

 

Nobody but you is talking about throwing $120 million at him right now.

 

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