Huddle question: Do they pay Cam next year?

[@bonafidebanter]

Cutler isn't in the same league as Cam.

 

 

The Panthers will pay Cam big guaranteed money. He is the franchise and DG isn't as stupid as some Panther fans.

 

 

DG is the worst. He'll end up messing this up too. 

[@bonafidebanter]

Why would Cam want to stay here? DG is not doing much to help him. Just like Shaun King said last spring; Are there any other franchises treating their "franchise" quaterback the way that DG is treating Cam? Still hasn't drafted an offensive tackle and "just" drafted a first round receiver. I don't want to say that DG is setting this man up to fail, but it damn sure looks like it. I wouldn't want to stay where you're not getting support from the organization. It sucks to see this happening to this guy. Bless his heart. 

[Cary Kollins]

Lol

[KillerKat]

Yes. Lock him up for life!

[FootballMaestro]

The irony of this thread (especially regarding the people against Newton getting big $$)?

 

The fact that the Panthers have extended him and allowed Cam another season to perform, gives him another chance to have a great season where he will have maximum bargaining power (if he didn't always maintain it). And we know how much the Panther organization gives in to public will?

 

Of course, Newton could have a poor season as well. Absolutely! However, after all the bad that's happened to Newton and the team this year, it's more likely he has a "Bang Up Year" next year, especially if Rivera and/or Shula are gone  (we hope).

[CarolinaSock]

The irony of this thread (especially regarding the people against Newton getting big $$)?

The fact that the Panthers have franchised him and allowed Cam another season to perform, gives him another chance to have a great season where he will have maximum bargaining power (if he didn't always maintain it). And we know how much the Panther organization gives in to public will?

Of course, Newton could have a poor season as well. Absolutely! However, after all the bad that's happened to Newton and the team this year, it's more likely he has a "Bang Up Year" next year, especially if Rivera and/or Shula are gone (we hope).

They didn't franchise him, they exercised the fifth year option of his rookie contract.

[FootballMaestro]

They didn't franchise him, they exercised the fifth year option of his rookie contract.

 

Thanks.

 

I'll make the correction.

 

However, you get the point.

 

[@bonafidebanter]

if this franchise was smart they would prioritize Cam and truly build around them. Players, scheme, everything.

If we dont someone else will and will be very sucessful in doing so. Mark my words

 

This

[MHS831]

I think you have to look at this from Gettlemen's perspective.  He might just allow Cam to play on the $14m for 2015.  I might do the same.  Here is why:

 

Cam runs the ball a lot when we are successful.  Historically, this has been unsustainable in the NFL.  I want to see him converted to a pocket passer.  This will require a lot of work on his mechanics.  The injuries will add up.  Watch film of him as a rookie and film from last year and this season.  Different.

 

Andrew Luck has the same basic skill set as Cam.  He is big, can move, and has a strong arm.  However, he is a pure pocket passer and he has been improving each year.  I would gladly invest $100m in Newton if he showed growth, but he has not developed into the pocket passer we hoped he would become--now that could be due to other factors, but we do not know if he can be a consistent pocket passer.  If he cannot, if he must run to produce on offense, then you have to pause before laying out $100m+ for a QB who plays a style that has never been successful over the long term.  Anyone who suggests that Cam can become that player needs to re-watch games when they tried to make him a pocket passer.

 

Cam needs a ton of work with his mechanics before he can make the transition.  He needs weapons and protection.  But what bothers me is the back-foot throwing.  It is a sign, regardless of reason or legitimacy, that the QB is afraid.  Once the demons get into your head, you are done.  It has happened to so many QBs who were drafted by bad teams.  I hope we can correct these issues and make a long-term, pocket passer out of Cam because I do not want my $100m+ QB running the ISO play. 

 

So, I am guessing that Gettlemen either signs Cam to a reasonable offer based on his recent production and not potential (remember, second contracts are about production) or I watch him play in 2015 for $14m before rolling in the Brinks trucks.  Gman has a tremendous responsibility to the restoration of this team, and he is not going to blow that by writing a check for 20% of the cap space for a player who is basically at the crossroads.  I want to win as much as anyone here, but giving Cam $100m is no home run--in fact, it is rather risky.  Get him a LT, another WR, and lets see what he can do from the pocket.  If he does well, write the check.  If he doesn't, you have not mortgaged the future for an NFL option qb.

 

 

 

 

[CarolinaCoolin]

I think you have to look at this from Gettlemen's perspective. He might just allow Cam to play on the $14m for 2015. I might do the same. Here is why:

Cam runs the ball a lot when we are successful. Historically, this has been unsustainable in the NFL. I want to see him converted to a pocket passer. This will require a lot of work on his mechanics. The injuries will add up. Watch film of him as a rookie and film from last year and this season. Different.

Andrew Luck has the same basic skill set as Cam. He is big, can move, and has a strong arm. However, he is a pure pocket passer and he has been improving each year. I would gladly invest $100m in Newton if he showed growth, but he has not developed into the pocket passer we hoped he would become--now that could be due to other factors, but we do not know if he can be a consistent pocket passer. If he cannot, if he must run to produce on offense, then you have to pause before laying out $100m+ for a QB who plays a style that has never been successful over the long term. Anyone who suggests that Cam can become that player needs to re-watch games when they tried to make him a pocket passer.

Cam needs a ton of work with his mechanics before he can make the transition. He needs weapons and protection. But what bothers me is the back-foot throwing. It is a sign, regardless of reason or legitimacy, that the QB is afraid. Once the demons get into your head, you are done. It has happened to so many QBs who were drafted by bad teams. I hope we can correct these issues and make a long-term, pocket passer out of Cam because I do not want my $100m+ QB running the ISO play.

So, I am guessing that Gettlemen either signs Cam to a reasonable offer based on his recent production and not potential (remember, second contracts are about production) or I watch him play in 2015 for $14m before rolling in the Brinks trucks. Gman has a tremendous responsibility to the restoration of this team, and he is not going to blow that by writing a check for 20% of the cap space for a player who is basically at the crossroads. I want to win as much as anyone here, but giving Cam $100m is no home run--in fact, it is rather risky. Get him a LT, another WR, and lets see what he can do from the pocket. If he does well, write the check. If he doesn't, you have not mortgaged the future for an NFL option qb.

All contracts are based on future production. You never pay for past performance. You pay for what you think you are going to get from the player out of the life of the contract.

Through the first six weeks of the season cam was the highest rated QB in the league from PFF and was an MVP candidate then his oline got riddled with injuries and you saw the drop. Cam was killing it purely from the pocket due to his injury.

I don't think you really know what you're talking him tbh

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Luke and Cam are two players that can elevate a team.

Both should be the lynchpins of this team for the next decade

 

There were plenty of Hurney wannabes here saying the same thing about Jon Beason and a couple of RBs just a few years ago.

 

Look where those contracts got us.

 

Fortunately for JR, Gettleman will be conducting negotiations with Cam this time around.

 

Hopefully, when it is all said and done, Cam will get his payday and the Carolina Panthers won't be forced to shop in the bargain bins for his supporting caste.

 

[Kurb]

There were plenty of Hurney wannabes here saying the same thing about Jon Beason and a couple of RBs just a few years ago.

 

Look where those contracts got us.

 

Fortunately for JR, Gettleman will be conducting negotiations with Cam this time around.

 

Hopefully, when it is all said and done, Cam will get his payday and the Carolina Panthers won't be forced to shop in the bargain bins for his supporting caste.

 

 

 

Jon Beason's contract was perfectly fine for his production and projected future, the flaw was his sudden inability to stay healthy and the actual structure of the deal.

 

The comparison to Cam and Luke to the DWill and Stew is....poorly thought out.

[Lumps]

So how many 'Panther fans' do we lose when/if Cam leaves. I'd say 60-70%. Much like this forum before Cam.

[TheRed]

So how many 'Panther fans' do we lose when/if Cam leaves. I'd say 60-70%. Much like this forum before Cam.

Better question is, how many dipshits like yourself do we lose when we extend him?