Hornets Losing Fans because of T-Shirts

[WOW!!]

Just curious on y'all's opinion, but what do you think the point of the shirts are.

- to raise awareness against police brutality

- to shed light on racism

- a combination of the two

I think both..

[WOW!!]

I have no problem with it personally. I don't care if players do this type of stuff.

However, it is against NBA regulations. They are breaking rules set by their employer (NBA) and agreed to by their representation (Player's Association) and are subject to a fine. The NBA shouldn't bend rules and pick and choose what they allow to slide and deem okay even though it's against rules. It's no different than the NFL making crap up as they go with the DV issue.

If a player wore an Athiest, Christianity, Islamic, Gay Pride, Pro-Choice, Pro-Gun, etc. t-shirt a much large number of fans from one political side or another would be completely outraged a million times more than the few people upset by the "I can't breathe" t-shirts. Not only that, the NBA would immediately fine and possibly suspend the player for simply expressing his beliefs and voicing his opinion on a social/political issue. Now the NBA has opened themselves up to legal repercussions and a lawsuit for discrimination. You can't pick and choose who gets to express themselves. The NBA should've nipped this in the very beginning. If players want to voice their opinion on social media or go to rallies, etc that's fine. But all the political & social stuff needs to stay separate from the game itself.

That's the only point I was making. Because a lot of people are crying that anyone upset with the shirts is a racist old white guy. That's ridiculous. It has nothing to do with race with 99% of those upset, people just don't want political/social issues mixed into sports.

This is different from religion or politics. This is a social issue and people for years crap on MJ and Tiger for not having a opinion. Now people have a problem with players being socially aware. .

[PanthersClinic]

Just curious on y'all's opinion, but what do you think the point of the shirts are.

- to raise awareness against police brutality

- to shed light on racism

- a combination of the two

 

i think it's neither.

 

The point is to weaken the ability of the police to enforce the law.  Police officers have the right to arrest those suspected of committing crime. Citizens do not have a right to resist lawful arrest. When you do resist an arrest that forces the cop to use force. Force is violence and it's ugly. There will be injuries and even fatalities when violence is involved.

 

If people have different solutions that are effective I'd like to hear them. There is no peaceful way to arrest a resisting person.

 

People have died from tasers, gunshots (obviousy), and the public has complained about batons (recently there's a video of a black cop hitting a black youth on a train with a baton in the head and he bleeds severely - not in the news often mysteriously).

 

Is there a safe tranquilizer to use on these people?

 

I've heard no real alternatives. So I can only assume they won't the police removed from certain communities creating lawless zones around America. As Barkley said, they want the wild wild west.

[ThinkAboutIt]

What is your guys take on this?

 

Insecure white people need to get over themselves?

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I find it hard to believe the Hornets are trying to give a big FU to law enforcement.

[ThinkAboutIt]

ehh. I think the shirts are stoopid stoopid but any fans that bails on the hornets because of this and not their shitacular play probably isn't much of a fan anyways.

 

Exactly. They already thought most NBA players were "thugs" anyway. The whole "rap" culture. And this team is owned by a black guy whose "black" players are wearing those shirts?

 

No way they can support this team anymore. Makes them feel too "uncomfortable." The world revolves around their feelings. 

[WOW!!]

i think it's neither.

The point is to weaken the ability of the police to enforce the law. Police officers have the right to arrest those suspected of committing crime. Citizens do not have a right to resist lawful arrest. When you do resist an arrest that forces the cop to use force. Force is violence and it's ugly. There will be injuries and even fatalities when violence is involved.

If people have different solutions that are effective I'd like to hear them. There is no peaceful way to arrest a resisting person.

People have died from tasers, gunshots (obviousy), and the public has complained about batons (recently there's a video of a black cop hitting a black youth on a train with a baton in the head and he bleeds severely - not in the news often mysteriously).

Is there a safe tranquilizer to use on these people?

I've heard no real alternatives. So I can only assume they won't the police removed from certain communities creating lawless zones around America. As Barkley said, they want the wild wild west.

Are you fuging kidding me??

Dude shoots up a movie theater military style dressed as the Joker and he is taking ALIVE!!

4 cops can't subdue a unarmed man without killing him..

And to step into reality for a second this isn't the only time young black men have been killed by officers. We are now approaching 30 in the last 2 years. .

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Insecure white people need to get over themselves?

This is the type of post I didn't want to see...

No need to race bait or bring any sort of ethnicity into the thread.

"Insecure people need to get over themselves" would have sufficed just fine.

[ThinkAboutIt]

This is the type of post I didn't want to see...

No need to race bait or bring any sort of ethnicity into the thread.

"Insecure people need to get over themselves" would have sufficed just fine.

 

Give it a rest, dude. The people complaining ARE WHITE.

 

That is a fact, therefore, it was stated.

[ThinkAboutIt]

Are you fuging kidding me??

Dude shoots up a movie theater military style dressed as the Joker and he is taking ALIVE!!

4 cops can't subdue a unarmed man without killing him..

And to step into reality for a second this isn't the only time young black men have been killed by officers. We are now approaching 30 in the last 2 years. .

 

WHITE DUDE shoots up a movie theater...and he is taken "alive."

4 cops can't subdue an unarmed BLACK man without killing.

 

Those are the facts. The variable is "race." Those who ignore the racial aspect think their "comfort" matters more than facts.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Give it a rest, dude. The people complaining ARE WHITE.

That is a fact, therefore, it was stated.

What does that have to do with anything?

You're pointing that out is just as racist as people saying that Garner deserved to be killed. Racism knows no color, as soon as you understand that the sooner life will be for you.

Take a look in the mirror before making stupid posts and comments like that or I'll make sure you can't post in this thread anymore.

Quit grouping people and drop the racism.

[ThinkAboutIt]

What does that have to do with anything?

You're pointing that out is just as racist as racist as people saying that Garner deserved to be killed.

Take a look in the mirror before making stupid posts and comments like that or I'll make sure you can't post in this thread anymore.

Quit grouping people and drop the racism.

 

Facts = facts.

 

Facts DO NOT EQUAL race.

 

If "race" is a fact, the facts are still the facts.

 

The people complaining are white.

The players wearing the shirts are black.

The players are wearing the shirt because of black men who were killed.

 

If race can't be brought up on topics where it is a factor, then lock these threads before they get started.

[WOW!!]

What does that have to do with anything?

You're pointing that out is just as racist as people saying that Garner deserved to be killed. Racism knows no color, as soon as you understand that the sooner life will be for you.

Take a look in the mirror before making stupid posts and comments like that or I'll make sure you can't post in this thread anymore.

Quit grouping people and drop the racism.

You don't think none of this has to do with race??

[ThinkAboutIt]

You don't think none of this has to do with race??

 

He knows it does. He just doesn't want that part of the topic discussed. Too "uncomfortable."

 

I'll give it a rest. I don't want to look like I'm trying to target him (or to ruin this thread). That's not my goal.