Will R.R do the inthinkable...start Dlo ?

[Jangler]

I  really thought the title said Dio...

 

 

then I thought...wait...he's dead.

 

[panthers55]

I'm telling you....from the start to now of the Rivera era 28 has been the overall better RB.

Injury and mismanagement have kept Williams in the front and relevant. Doesn't matter what stats say and what angle you want to look at them...is what it is.

Stewart has always come off the bench....so of course he looks better in that scenario under Rivera. Scenario is slanted and skewed for such a bunch of Bologna. There was only a tiny window he didn't against beast run defenses. That doesn't mean he feeds off Williams.

Back in the day they also claimed garbage Foster wore down D's for Williams. Reality was Foster just sucked and Williams just did a lot with his carries. Basically it is that old arguement all over again.

So basically you are taking the Foster should keep getting the reps stance. I, again, take the same stance I took back then. Bench the bad RB. Play the one that runs.

Coaches say all sorts of junk and coaches despite knowing lots more football than most "normal" folk.....simply do dumb things often. Letting Williams waste carries is dumb at this stage. Stewart runs like he runs regardless. What impacts him is his health and opponent

Perfect example of the kitchen sink argument. Throw enough stuff against the wall and hope it sticks. Did you address my post to the points I asked you to comment on? No.

Did you address my whole premise of Rivera naming Williams the starter to pressure Stewart to play harder? Only tangentially with a claim that Stewart has always been better despite him missing more games than he started and having no 100 yard games before last week in the Rivera era. But largely no.

Then we get the whole Foster conversation which is off the wall and irrelevant. And the argument that they start Stewart despite the fact that the facts surely indicate that he is better coming off the bench.

Now to the inaccuracies. Has Stewart always come off the bench? No he came of the bench 28 times and started 15. He had only roughly 70 carries more off the bench than a starter so that argument is invalid.

So what are we left with? Subjective opinion with few facts to justify it. Fine. You are surely welcome to say whatever you want and don't need me to comment. But stop using the word fact and opinion interchangeable unless you want to lose all credibility. At least with those few who actually know the difference.

[CRA]

Perfect example of the kitchen sink argument. Throw enough stuff against the wall and hope it sticks. Did you address my post to the points I asked you to comment on? No.

Did you address my whole premise of Rivera naming Williams the starter to pressure Stewart to play harder? Only tangentially with a claim that Stewart has always been better despite him missing more games than he started and having no 100 yard games before last week in the Rivera era. But largely no.

Then we get the whole Foster conversation which is off the wall and irrelevant. And the argument that they start Stewart despite the fact that the facts surely indicate that he is better coming off the bench.

Now to the inaccuracies. Has Stewart always come off the bench? No he came of the bench 28 times and started 15. He had only roughly 70 carries more off the bench than a starter so that argument is invalid.

So what are we left with? Subjective opinion with few facts to justify it. Fine. You are surely welcome to say whatever you want and don't need me to comment. But stop using the word fact and opinion interchangeable unless you want to lose all credibility. At least with those few who actually know the difference.

No, it isn't throwing the kitchen sink....it is pretty dang simplistic.

Foster wasted carries at his end here.....

Williams is doing it now....same thing.

It is what it is. It isn't that complicated nor do you need to try to dig through stats to tell you some things.

And again, as smart of coaches are....we know they often do painfully obvious dumb things.

So yeah, that's all I got to say about that. And yes, 28 is better than 34 now. It is a fact. How is it? Just watch them. Again, it doesn't have to be that hard.

present day, the gap between the two runners is too big to even discuss any of this.

Real arguement is should Williams even be taking the 5 or so touches Fozzy might deserve

[panthers55]

No, it isn't throwing the kitchen sink....it is pretty dang simplistic.

Foster wasted carries at his end here.....

Williams is doing it now....same thing.

It is what it is. It isn't that complicated nor do you need to try to dig through stats to tell you some things.

And again, as smart of coaches are....we know they often do painfully obvious dumb things.

So yeah, that's all I got to say about that. And yes, 28 is better than 34 now. It is a fact. How is it? Just watch them. Again, it doesn't have to be that hard.

present day, the gap between the two runners is too big to even discuss any of this.

Real arguement is should Williams even be taking the 5 or so touches Fozzy might deserve

I have no issues with you not addressing my points because honestly there is nothing to argue with. Ron is looking at the facts up to the present and deciding that Stewart has been better coming off the bench so he doesn't name him a starter yet. It makes sense. Stewart is making a case that this isn't true and that he can be the man and the starter going forward. That is exactly why Rivera is doing it. To light a fire under 28 and if he goes off this week it will be working to a Tee. That is why he mentioned it. Does he have respect for Williams? Why not? While he has lost a step and can't create his own yards like Stewart has, he has surely been more durable and dependable and at times spectacular with more big games than Stewart has in this time frame.

I have no argument that Stewart is doing better than Williams this year. Thank God. How long have we been waiting and how many tens of millions have we spent? Williams is possibly gone next year so Stewart needs to show up big considering we couldn't dump him due to the dead cap hit. I am a Panther fan so I want the best guy out there each week and have no grudges or allegiances to any player or coach. With the exception of Smitty who I have liked since I met him on the 2005 fan cruise. Good times. I guess since we are arguing different points and I don't disagree with your premise that Stewart is doing better now and don't need to comment on your belief that Stewart has been better all along as each of us are welcome to our opinions I guess we are moving on. At least it was a football conversation which beats the heck out of most of the threads lately.

[Toker Smurf]

But we didn't like the way Stew responded last time we made him the starter........ I mean the time before last week that we made him the starter

[iamhubby1]

The last two weeks our O-line has played very well. Pass blocking well, and opening running lanes. It is good to see Stewy being able to take advantage of the situation. As the line, hopefully, continues to gel and improve, the running game should also continue to thrive. This Offense works so much better when teams have to respect the running game..

 

That said. It would be nice to see what DWill can do behind this line. Because I still believe a healthy DWill is better than Fozzy. And if this line combo we got going now can make the running backs effective. Both Stewy and DWill bring assets to the game.

 

Plus, I have to be honest. It would be nice to see DWill finish the season strong. Cuz there is a very good possibility that he won't be here next year. And I want to see him blow it up and help us get to, and through, the playoffs.

[iamhubby1]

No, it isn't throwing the kitchen sink....it is pretty dang simplistic.

Foster wasted carries at his end here.....

Williams is doing it now....same thing.

It is what it is. It isn't that complicated nor do you need to try to dig through stats to tell you some things.

And again, as smart of coaches are....we know they often do painfully obvious dumb things.

So yeah, that's all I got to say about that. And yes, 28 is better than 34 now. It is a fact. How is it? Just watch them. Again, it doesn't have to be that hard.

present day, the gap between the two runners is too big to even discuss any of this.

Real arguement is should Williams even be taking the 5 or so touches Fozzy might deserve

You stated that bolded portion not as an opinion, but as a fact. A fact not worthy of discussion. Well guess what? I have a rebuttal. I know, who'd a thunk it.

Until the last two weeks no RB was going to be effective behind our O-line. All of a sudden we have a line combo that is working, and Stewy happens to be healthy so he gets to be the one to take advantage of the situation. I am happy for him, as his success is good for the team.

But until we give DWill the same opportunity to run behind a line that can actually open up running lanes, we don't really know what he can/cannot give us.

I am extremely happy with the way our line is playing right now. And the running games jump in production is a direct result. Granted Stewy has looked good the last two weeks. But, lets not discount DWill until we get to see him run behind a line that can actually, you know, like, open up a hole to run through.

If our fairy tale season is to come to a fruitful conclusion. We are going to need a healthy Stewy and DWill. And the way our line is blocking right now. No reason to believe they both can't be effective.