Will R.R do the inthinkable...start Dlo ?

[CPcavedweller]

He had 241 carries between 2012 and 2013 and his longest run was 21 yards.

Historically speaking Williams is more likely to break one off than Stewart

I don't know that your odds increase with more carries across several games versus more carries in a single game. I can imagine the constant bombardment of the Toldozer and Stew can only increase odds because eventually people are going to get sick of being run through. Historically speaking Stew also got more carries in the beginning of those games when the defense is fresh.

[CRA]

You obviously have done no research or even looked at what I posted above or you would clearly know that there is clear evidence to suggest that he clearly does better as a nonstarter than as a starter since Ron has been here. It isn't who is going to get the most carries but what Stewart apparently needs to stay motivated. You can keep arguing that Ron doesn't have a clue but when his experience and the fact support his point of view only a poster with an agenda would keep arguing a point with no facts to back it up and plenty to back up Ron's point. This is classic huddle logic, ignore the facts and argue based on bias and subjective opinion.

No research? Go look at the rush defenses 28 played while tabbed the "starter".

You just cherry picked a players stat sheet. You need to research more. 28's number weren't great of the beast Rush defenses. Not bc Williams wasn't motivating him. That is comcial

All 28 needs to do is be healthy AND be given opportunties.....that is a rare combo that 28 has rarely had the opportunity to be in. And really THAT sums up the situation.

Facts support that when healthy....28 is the better overall RB in the Rivera era. So does eye ball test.

[Jeremy Igo]

Did Stewart practice fully yesterday? I would think you wouldn't name a starter until you know he is going to be 100% ready to go. As you note, Williams is unlikely to be active at this point.  Hopefully Stewart will play great for the next 3 games and end all of this speculation. 

 

They know he will be 100% ready to go regardless of practice.

[nickzz]

Good grief the crying and whining about the possibilty of Dangello starting is truly grating.

no offense, but if football discussion is "truly grating" to you then you probably shouldn't be here.

[panthers55]

No research? Go look at the rush defenses 28 played while tabbed the "starter".

You just cherry picked a players stat sheet. You need to research more. 28's number weren't great of the beast Rush defenses. Not bc Williams wasn't motivating him. That is comcial

All 28 needs to do is be healthy AND be given opportunties.....that is a rare combo that 28 has rarely had the opportunity to be in. And really THAT sums up the situation.

Facts support that when healthy....28 is the better overall RB in the Rivera era. So does eye ball test.

What is comical is when you do the exact think you accuse me of doing.  You make some general comment looking at 4 games in 2012 where he struggled and said it was due to murderers row defenses to excuse his struggling.  I look at his whole starting versus nonstarting stats since Ron has been here or the last 4 years and make informed statements based on the facts.

 

Do you know what cherrypicking stats means?  Yeah what you did was cherrypick not me.  And then you did a poor job justifying your point.  You didn't even present facts from 2012 to show that those 4 teams were in the top 10 in rushing defense.  Then you bring in a red herring argument to argue that Stewart when healthy is better than Williams.  That isn't the point of this discussion which is whether Ron is justified in bringing Stewart in from the bench versus naming him the starter.

T

What a classic case of poor huddle logic, Talking about facts without using any. Wow just wow...................

[panthers55]

They know he will be 100% ready to go regardless of practice.

Did we just employ the Amazing Kreskin as a consultant?  I thought practice was to decide who is ready to go or not.  Are you saying the injury was so minor they know he will be fine by Sunday?  Did he practice fully on Thursday or don't you know?

[CRA]

What is comical is when you do the exact think you accuse me of doing. You make some general comment looking at 4 games in 2012 where he struggled and said it was due to murderers row defenses to excuse his struggling. I look at his whole starting versus nonstarting stats since Ron has been here or the last 4 years and make informed statements based on the facts.

Do you know what cherrypicking stats means? Yeah what you did was cherrypick not me. And then you did a poor job justifying your point. You didn't even present facts from 2012 to show that those 4 teams were in the top 10 in rushing defense. Then you bring in a red herring argument to argue that Stewart when healthy is better than Williams. That isn't the point of this discussion which is whether Ron is justified in bringing Stewart in from the bench versus naming him the starter.

T

What a classic case of poor huddle logic, Talking about facts without using any. Wow just wow...................

lol...

I didn't present the facts?

I told u they were the top rush defenses and even listed their exact rank in run D. NFL keeps such stats. It is fact. It is documented.

Stewart is better. Just fact.

Some things don't have to be that hard. People make it hard. Like the current 28 vs 34 conversations shouldn't be hard....it is easy. 28 is much better.

No point wasting time trying to act like Rivera isnt simply being a standard coach you see that I ignores the painfully obvious. You see that in sports often.

[Jeremy Igo]

Did we just employ the Amazing Kreskin as a consultant? I thought practice was to decide who is ready to go or not. Are you saying the injury was so minor they know he will be fine by Sunday? Did he practice fully on Thursday or don't you know?

Limited Wednesday, full Thursday and full today.

His hip is sore, but not enough to keep him out on GameDay. He was limited in the full padded practice as a precaution not to aggrevate it further.

[Jeremy Igo]

Deangelo doubtful for Sunday.

[BigBoss]

no offense, but if football discussion is "truly grating" to you then you probably shouldn't be here.

 

Uh no, it's the "JESUS CHRIST RON I'LL KILL YOU AND MYSELF IF YOU DARE START HIM" attitude around here.

 

 

Which hardly passes for legitimate football intercourse. Not that you would ever know, no offense.

[panthers55]

lol...

I didn't present the facts?

I told u they were the top rush defenses and even listed their exact rank in run D. NFL keeps such stats. It is fact. It is documented.

Stewart is better. Just fact.

Some things don't have to be that hard. People make it hard. Like the current 28 vs 34 conversations shouldn't be hard....it is easy. 28 is much better.

No point wasting time trying to act like Rivera isnt simply being a standard coach you see that I ignores the painfully obvious. You see that in sports often.

So tell me you are not cherrypicking stats which you accused me doing when you looked at a few games in 2012 and I looked at every game he has played in the last 4 years.

 

Again who is saying Williams is better than Stewart.  You go on and on arguing a point no one is making.  Did you miss the point of this thread or do you just keep changing the argument until you can be right about something??

 

You seem to be the one that ignores the facts which is that Stewart does better coming off the bench totally justifying Rons point that he wasn't going to name him a starter because when he starts without competition he doesn't do as well.

 

Answer those issues instead of going off on more tangents no one is arguing.

[panthers55]

Except for the fact Stewart has been running well for some time now...he's also the leading running backs in broken tackles. Fact is D-will has not even touched the end zone this season at all.

What is for some time?  He has 1-100 yards game all season which is last week. He started 4 games before that with 1 good result and 3 poor ones. He also did have 1 game where he didn't start but still did well. Then he missed 3 games with another injury.  Stewart has run great last week and pretty good for a few weeks before that.  The last time he had a 100 yard game before last week was 2010.   Your definition of for some time and mine appears to be very different.

 

I think posters are so happy that he at least is playing and staying relatively healthy for him that they have set the bar really low at this point. 

[nickzz]

Uh no, it's the "JESUS CHRIST RON I'LL KILL YOU AND MYSELF IF YOU DARE START HIM" attitude around here.

 

 

Which hardly passes for legitimate football intercourse. Not that you would ever know, no offense.

 

seriously though, reconsider being here. it is not normal to feel such a way.

 

 

if you don't think debating which RB should be our starter is "legitimate football intercourse" then idk what to say to you.

[CRA]

So tell me you are not cherrypicking stats which you accused me doing when you looked at a few games in 2012 and I looked at every game he has played in the last 4 years.

Again who is saying Williams is better than Stewart. You go on and on arguing a point no one is making. Did you miss the point of this thread or do you just keep changing the argument until you can be right about something??

You seem to be the one that ignores the facts which is that Stewart does better coming off the bench totally justifying Rons point that he wasn't going to name him a starter because when he starts without competition he doesn't do as well.

Answer those issues instead of going off on more tangents no one is arguing.

I'm telling you....from the start to now of the Rivera era 28 has been the overall better RB.

Injury and mismanagement have kept Williams in the front and relevant. Doesn't matter what stats say and what angle you want to look at them...is what it is.

Stewart has always come off the bench....so of course he looks better in that scenario under Rivera. Scenario is slanted and skewed for such a bunch of Bologna. There was only a tiny window he didn't against beast run defenses. That doesn't mean he feeds off Williams.

Back in the day they also claimed garbage Foster wore down D's for Williams. Reality was Foster just sucked and Williams just did a lot with his carries. Basically it is that old arguement all over again.

So basically you are taking the Foster should keep getting the reps stance. I, again, take the same stance I took back then. Bench the bad RB. Play the one that runs.

Coaches say all sorts of junk and coaches despite knowing lots more football than most "normal" folk.....simply do dumb things often. Letting Williams waste carries is dumb at this stage. Stewart runs like he runs regardless. What impacts him is his health and opponent