Cam's First Facebook Post Since the Accident

[PhillyB]

Everything happens for a reason you could die in a car crash or simply die sleeping, God has the control, if you aren't meant to die you simply won't no matter how bad the circumstances

 

i guess this is ultimately my point: saying that you aren't "meant to die" implies that no death comes without a purpose and a plan, which means dead people were meant to die, which means there's a divinely-ordered purpose for all deaths, which means god is a-ok with little babies getting napalmed (it's part of the plan!) but he'll help you find your car keys if you pray about it.

 

i'll say it one last time: i believe that position, when exposed, is ultimately an arrogant one. but much like calvinists can believe that god has chosen them to go to heaven and others to burn in hell, the objective arrogance of that belief does not translate directly to their intentions or actions, which are actually very humble and removing of all credit upon themselves. in that same way, i don't think cam was the slightest bit arrogant for what he said, and my post was not a criticism of cam, only a highlighting of the inconsistency of the belief.

 

should it have been saved for a tinderbox post? probably. however, social issues are inseparable from the milieu of daily life, in which football is included, and i see no reason to divorce underlying issues from the discussion for sake of mere sensibilities. apologies to PD for derailing the thread, but really, the outrage has been heavily overplayed. people are doing their damndest to be offended as possible, literally stating that calling an objectively silly belief objectively silly is "intolerant" is among the worst misappropriations of terminology i've ever encountered on the internet, and frankly i think it stems from a rampant persecution complex that must be dismissed. no one is persecuting you, or cam, or anyone else.

 

lastly, i think it's telling, again, that literally no one has stood in to defend the notion that god cares about some people more than others - they've only unloaded barrels of rage at the fact that anyone would dare bring it up. i'm not trying to be some fedora-tipping internet atheist gleefully poking at everyone's beliefs, but really, if you look at the original comment in its context and the ensuing fallout, the disparity is astounding.

[PantherFanOne]

Already been there done that

 

If you are saying you were once a Christian and something changed,guess what,it wasn't God that changed, it was you

 

Being a Christian is something  a person has  to work at daily, or they will become spiritually weak and fall by the wayside .

 

The plan of salvation is simple,however, a person that's  sincere about wanting God to be their personal saviour,has to be willing walk the extra mile, if the want to continue to grow and develop as a Christian.  

 

I will have you in my prayers tonight and if you feel led,please ask the Lord to come into your heart and show you the peace and fullfillment His eternal love will bring into you life.

[Nick_81]

Already been there done that

If that's your attitude towards it, then no, you haven't "been there, done that."  Once you have the Holy Spirit in your heart, it's impossible to have the views that you do.  Just saying the words doesn't make it so.  It has to take, as PantherFanOne said;

 

 

having a  willing heart to ask Christ to be their Lord and Saviour,forgiving them  of their sins,then a sincere persons  life and outlook will be changed forever.

 

 

 

It's something that can't be explained, especially to non-believers.  A feeling you've never felt before.  You're changed, completely.  A totally new person.  LOL, and here I am trying to explain it.  All we can do, as Christians, is tell people how Jesus has changed our lives, and all He's done for us.  It's up to Him to do the rest.  

 

What's sad is when I see so-called Christians attacking unbelievers.  Telling them that they're going to hell, calling them names, cussing them out, etc.  We're definitely no better than anyone else, and stooping to that level is truly sad.  It's easy to look out the window... the mirror is the tough part, and that's where most need to be looking, instead of berating others.

[Semaj]

Ha! The Quran would never call Jewish people and Christians all children of Allah. Or even mention Jesus let's say 72 times

Just to note all three commit horrible crimes against each other. I just know more about Islam from a former career and I like banging Persian women

I disagree. To equate modern day Christianity with Islam is not accurate or fair and actually offensive. The evidence of Christian missionaries versus Muslim terrorists shows a clear difference at this time. Natural disaster and man made disasters occur and Christians will respond on a large scale even in Muslim nations. The Muslim faith has mostly brought war and violence and murder to innocent men, women and children of all races and creeds, even their own. Just watch the news. It's not even debatable. The moral equivalency is entirely unjustified and unfair to Christians. That being said, of course there are some peaceful Muslims and I encourage everyone to give them an opportunity to show their true character before judging them. In addition, please go find modern day evidence of all these horrible crimes that Christians are committing worldwide in 2014. I don't hear of Christians beheading Muslims for refusing to convert. Thankfully you will be looking for a LONG TIME. That being said, this Christian man cares about everyone, even those that disagree with him such as Atheists and Muslims. Just don't morally equate the religions. That's not fair or accurate. Flame away, but flame away with facts and not name calling or ignorance. I presented a strong case and have backed it up. I have challenged you to find all the true and valid occurrences of Christians persecuting and murdering other faiths in 2014. Don't bring up the inquisition from hundreds of years ago.

[Dexterity]

i guess this is ultimately my point: saying that you aren't "meant to die" implies that no death comes without a purpose and a plan, which means dead people were meant to die, which means there's a divinely-ordered purpose for all deaths, which means god is a-ok with little babies getting napalmed (it's part of the plan!) but he'll help you find your car keys if you pray about it.

i'll say it one last time: i believe that position, when exposed, is ultimately an arrogant one. but much like calvinists can believe that god has chosen them to go to heaven and others to burn in hell, the objective arrogance of that belief does not translate directly to their intentions or actions, which are actually very humble and removing of all credit upon themselves. in that same way, i don't think cam was the slightest bit arrogant for what he said, and my post was not a criticism of cam, only a highlighting of the inconsistency of the belief.

should it have been saved for a tinderbox post? probably. however, social issues are inseparable from the milieu of daily life, in which football is included, and i see no reason to divorce underlying issues from the discussion for sake of mere sensibilities. apologies to PD for derailing the thread, but really, the outrage has been heavily overplayed. people are doing their damndest to be offended as possible, literally stating that calling an objectively silly belief objectively silly is "intolerant" is among the worst misappropriations of terminology i've ever encountered on the internet, and frankly i think it stems from a rampant persecution complex that must be dismissed. no one is persecuting you, or cam, or anyone else.

lastly, i think it's telling, again, that literally no one has stood in to defend the notion that god cares about some people more than others - they've only unloaded barrels of rage at the fact that anyone would dare bring it up. i'm not trying to be some fedora-tipping internet atheist gleefully poking at everyone's beliefs, but really, if you look at the original comment in its context and the ensuing fallout, the disparity is astounding.

It is not nearly as arrogant as your self-righteous, anti-religious freak outs anytime "God" or "Christian" is mentioned anywhere.

STFU, GTFO, & GFY.

[PhillyB]

It is not nearly as arrogant as your self-righteous, anti-religious freak outs anytime "God" or "Christian" is mentioned anywhere.

STFU, GTFO, & GFY.

 

"even though billions of people die tragic deaths all over the world, god personally reached in my car and saved me from dying."

 

"no he didn't"

 

"WHY ARE YOU SO ARROGANT GTFO DIAF HOW DARE YOU VOICE YOUR OPINION YOU ARE INTOLERANT "

[Guild]

Friends, believe whatever you want but if your beliefs are inconsistent with reality please reflect and alter them accordingly.

[mc52beast]

Pretty amazing how so many of these millionaire athletes give credit to God when they could easily take credit themselves...

[Guild]

Pretty amazing how so many of these millionaire athletes give credit to God when they could easily take credit themselves...

 

Personally I attribute it to social conditioning.  Whaddabout you?

[Machete]

i guess this is ultimately my point: saying that you aren't "meant to die" implies that no death comes without a purpose and a plan, which means dead people were meant to die, which means there's a divinely-ordered purpose for all deaths, which means god is a-ok with little babies getting napalmed (it's part of the plan!) but he'll help you find your car keys if you pray about it.

i'll say it one last time: i believe that position, when exposed, is ultimately an arrogant one. but much like calvinists can believe that god has chosen them to go to heaven and others to burn in hell, the objective arrogance of that belief does not translate directly to their intentions or actions, which are actually very humble and removing of all credit upon themselves. in that same way, i don't think cam was the slightest bit arrogant for what he said, and my post was not a criticism of cam, only a highlighting of the inconsistency of the belief.

should it have been saved for a tinderbox post? probably. however, social issues are inseparable from the milieu of daily life, in which football is included, and i see no reason to divorce underlying issues from the discussion for sake of mere sensibilities. apologies to PD for derailing the thread, but really, the outrage has been heavily overplayed. people are doing their damndest to be offended as possible, literally stating that calling an objectively silly belief objectively silly is "intolerant" is among the worst misappropriations of terminology i've ever encountered on the internet, and frankly i think it stems from a rampant persecution complex that must be dismissed. no one is persecuting you, or cam, or anyone else.

lastly, i think it's telling, again, that literally no one has stood in to defend the notion that god cares about some people more than others - they've only unloaded barrels of rage at the fact that anyone would dare bring it up. i'm not trying to be some fedora-tipping internet atheist gleefully poking at everyone's beliefs, but really, if you look at the original comment in its context and the ensuing fallout, the disparity is astounding.

I understand your viewpoint, to attempt to deny or justify God's plan is part of the human condition, we are all sinners deserving of death as according to the Word if that's what you choose to believe. This explains why Christ was a man of sorrows who generally lamented the state of humanity and all its suffering during his time on Earth. God and Christ have no respect of persons according to scripture. I'm sorry if my comments sounded inflammatory, truly. I agree that the state of humanity is saddening and hard to understand from any fixed point in time.

[megadeth078]

i'm glad he's ok… it's been a scary couple of days. hopefully this brush with disaster gives him a new perspective and lights a fire under his ass.

 

that said i can't help but shake my head when people attribute their surviving car crashes to god's protection. more than 3,000 people die in car crashes every day in the u.s…. it seems arrogant to suggest jesus had his hands on your steering wheel but decided to take a smoke break when the other 3,000 careened off a cliff or whatever. oh well, superstitions gonna superstition.

 

*tips fedora*

[bandu]

the Big Bang Theory (a scientific hypothesis not a FACT) Buddha,Higgs Boson,Allah,Darwinism,Billy Graham,Pinga,Brahma,Virgin Mary,the Kings Astromoner,Freemasonry,Kinih Ahous,Tu Bat Tu,Jesus Christ this could go on forever and ever and ever.and what in the hell does it have to do with football?why can't we agree to disagree

[Guild]

the Big Bang Theory (a scientific hypothesis not a FACT) Buddha,Higgs Boson,Allah,Darwinism,Billy Graham,Pinga,Brahma,Virgin Mary,the Kings Astromoner,Freemasonry,Kinih Ahous,Tu Bat Tu,Jesus Christ this could go on forever and ever and ever.and what in the hell does it have to do with football?why can't we agree to disagree

 

The Big Bang is a model of the formation of the universe that has been well supported through several observations of the universe.  One which that is very convincing is the detection of cosmic background radiation.  If you are interested I suggest reading the work of Nobel Prize winner George Smoot.

[SmootsDaddy89]

 If you are interested I suggest reading the work of Nobel Prize winner George Smoot.

 

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