What percentage is it Cam's Fault?

[fjblair]

Lots of denial on here. Cam has played poorly this season, it's not all play calling and a bad o-line. It happens.

[beastson]

Lots of denial on here. Cam has played poorly this season, it's not all play calling and a bad o-line. It happens.

 

You rights its not. Its mainly lack of game planning for teams. Some of you guys obviously don't know and see teams know what we're going to do before its done. 

[CelibatePimp]

You rights its not. Its mainly lack of game planning for teams. Some of you guys obviously don't know and see teams know what we're going to do before its done. 

 

I don't get that line that people have been saying. There are only so many plays that you can run out of certain formations. Most teams in the NFL can tell what play is coming by the formation and personnel. It's not just the panthers.

[MHS831]

Just stop now Welker was a top Wr before Manning and Decker and Damarius Thomas were early round picks with great talent. They found a gem in Julius Thomas who is immensely talented for a TE.

Manning has never played with sub par talent let it go.

 

Manning (in 2012) joined the Broncos.  That year, Decker was 5th in the league in drops.  Thomas was 7th.  In New England, Welker led the league in dropped passes.

 

After building chemistry with Manning, they all improved in 2013, when Manning had an injured line and a suspect defense behind him.  Super Bowl.

 

Q: How is Decker doing in NY?

 

A:  After a 1288 yard, 13 TD season in Denver in 2013, Decker's production as the #1 WR now is under 600 yards.  If the WR is so great, then why is he on pace to be half the man he was under Manning as the #1 WR? (Hint: this is where you input excuses, but be careful not contradict yourself--after all, he was a high draft pick)

 

 

So if Manning makes the WRs great, you can't use the argument "Manning has great WRs"  It makes no sense.

[CelibatePimp]

Manning (in 2012) joined the Broncos.  That year, Decker was 5th in the league in drops.  Thomas was 7th.  In New England, Welker led the league in dropped passes.

 

After building chemistry with Manning, they all improved in 2013, when Manning had an injured line and a suspect defense behind him.  Super Bowl.

 

How is Decker doing in NY?

 

So if Manning makes the WRs great, you can't use the argument "Manning has great WRs"  It makes no sense.

 

Maybe that's why DG should not have taken away Cam's WR. He needs chemistry with this new set.

[beastson]

I don't get that line that people have been saying. There are only so many plays that you can run out of certain formations. Most teams in the NFL can tell what play is coming by the formation and personnel. It's not just the panthers.

 

Defenses can't tell what route receivers are going to run by the formation which they obviously can. Its cause they run the same exact routes all the time. Its the same with special teams how they admit they see weaknesses on film. Its the same offense and defense wise

[TN05]

Cam - 5%

Hurney - 5%

Gettleman - 65%

Coaching - 35%

[CelibatePimp]

Defenses can't tell what route receivers are going to run by the formation which they obviously can. Its cause they run the same exact routes all the time. Its the same with special teams how they admit they see weaknesses on film. Its the same offense and defense wise

 

Most of the time, they have an idea and the defense tries to counter it with formations. The DC knows personnel and their routes. At this point, I will not be surprised that as soon as DCs see Philly Brown on the field, they know he's most likely going deep. Just like when we played NO last season at home. Anytime Sproles came in, you knew it was some type of screen. TD and Luke did a good job of sniffing it out the whole game.

 

In Zach Mettenberger's third game as a pro this year vs PIT, his first play of the game was a pick six because William Gay jumped the square out. Towards the end of the half, they run the same play, Gay jumps it again but this time, the offense had adjusted, Nate Washington sells the same route but this time run a double move and gets wide open, TD.

[teeray]

Cam is not as good as Peyton Manning.

I think we can all agree on that.

Peyton might be the best QB of all time and certainly top 5.

If that is the standard we have set as our barometer for QB success we will all likely die perpetually dissapointed

[OneBadCat]

I think it's about 70% oline, 20% WR's not having the talent/experience/ chemistry to run the plays Shula calls. (Cotchery on a go route for example.) 10% on Cam, maybe 15% as of late. It think lately hes been abandoning his mechanics because he knows he won't likely have time to make the correct motions and decisions. I think Cam is still the qb we saw last year. But he still doesn't quite have his legs and he's dealing with an oline that won't allow him time to set his feet and go through progressions. It's why he's forcing throws and ignoring open players occasionally.

[FootballMaestro]

He's been part of the problem, which I've said as much plenty times, but mainly because he seems shell shocked and gimped up.  The Cam I've seen out there since after that Cincinnati game isn't the Cam I know from the past 3+ years.

 

It's stupid for people to try and evaluate Cam now -- we've ALREADY done that... it was called the 2011, 2012, 2013 seasons.  He's our franchise QB.  That's established.  We know what we have with him, and we know how much better he could potentially be with actual talent around him.  Even in his first 3 years he had sub-par talent around him, but was still one of the top QBs in the league knocking on the door to taking that step in becoming elite.

 

Right now he has a literal dumpster fire around him.  He's hurt, looks absolutely crushed and depressed out there (which is honestly a bit of a red flag IMO... he needs to be above that), a retard for an OC, and a dumbass HC who the team seems to have given up on.  It's not fair to judge his ability now in this stretch of games where the team has fell apart when you've already had 3+ years to do so.  The only thing I'm worried about is I hope we haven't ruined him and he hopefully goes back to normal and continues to progress this offseason.

 

Good points, along with your others.

 

I've said this all along.

 

Hard to evaluate a guy off of this year, when every facet of the team has completely fell apart. And you almost couldn't blame him if it effected his play (especially when the coaches are nitwits, who continually throw their players under the bus).

[Brooklyn Bully]

35%

[CRA]

They did not have 4 to 5 legitmate pass catching options before he got there. He makes average into good, good into great. He makes his OL and his WRs successful by being accurate and consistent. They know when and where to expect the ball. He reads quickly and delivers the ball in 2.8 seconds on average. They are all on the same page. He holds them responsible and leads on the field and on the sideline. He makes an offense great when others make excuses.

He does that NOW. Back when he was Cam's age.....they put great talent around him. Now he coaches legit talent into great players.

But you need talent. We don't have it. Can't coach bleh into much.

[FuFuLamePoo]

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