What percentage is it Cam's Fault?

[smash_n_dash]

57.9% pass accuracy is horrible. TD/INT ratio is awful. On pace for career lows in nearly everything.

The team around him is horrible but Cam seems to have regressed. He's taking way too long with reads and he can't escape anymore. His mobility is no longer a game-changer.

The Panthers score 19ppg which is close to the 21 you'd hope to win with any given Sunday. That number is skewed though due to all the garbage points put up in the fourth in blowouts. Also Cam's stats are inflated, as bad as they are, by garbage time plays. I remember on Sunday the commentator in the Vikings game was praising Cam for his 4th quarter TD total. It's amazing! As few TD passes as Cam has, a high percentage came in garbage time in blowous. When games are 0-0 and within range, Cam has done nearly nothing in many games.

I'd put 20% blame on Cam. He's supposed to be a leader and the best player on the team and his play basically sucks.

It's a team game. When half your snaps this year results in a defender in your face by the time you're done with your 3 step drop back, it's kinda hard to make a positive play. When you do have time and make an excellent pass and then have your pass dropped, you can't sit there and tell me he needs to play better. When you are not given many chances to audible an the OC is calling horrible plays, is he supposed to ignore what he's been coached and do something different?

[MHS831]

Lafell numbers got better every season and you have yet to figure out Josh McDaniel and that Patriot system is way more WR friendly then Shula's. Who I'm still trying to figure out if he know how route combination work.

Also what about Ted Ginn did Cam make him better then he was??

 

Again, you use extended variables instead of on-the-field statistics to unsuccessfully avoid the obvious.  Do you think there are offenses in the NFL that are not "WR friendly" by design?

 

Secondly, If you have to drop down to the 3rd WR to find some ray of light then you are making a strong point---mine.

 

[WOW!!]

I know where to begin.

Sure you can say "the draft!!" and feel good about it, but look back at the draft when we were picking. Your way, we grab Morgan Moses instead of Kelvin Benjamin. He is probably a bust, and most all of the Tackles drafted after him are developing. Some have already been moved to G, and even the first rounders are struggling at LT. The only way we draft a top T was to move up. If you do that, we don't get Ealy in the second round, a player that will pay off soon. Turner will be solid. Yes, I wanted a T in the draft, but I can't tell you who and when even with the benefit of hindsight, something you are employing right now. For Cam to be effective this year we needed a free agent. That market was poor as well, so every decent T was overpaid. We did not have the funds to overpay while trying to correct the cap mess we are currently in. I am just being a realist. You don't have to like the reality of the situation, but I see the fix Gettlemen was in. I assure you, the plan was not to go with Bell and Chandler---however, the talent was either not available or affordable.

Manning went to the super bowl with 3 scrub offensive linemen last year. Clady was injured and he actually was on his third center most of the year. Bad example.

Blaming the UFAs is fair, but we have been getting production out of Norwell. I agree with your statement, but expecting rookies to solve the problem in the draft would have cost us talent at WR and on the DL. And the rookies who were drafted in the first 2 rounds have basically done little.

But the fact that I suggest that we do not know how good Cam is due to the OL is somewhat of an agreement with you. The problem is you suggest hypothetical solutions that ignore the circumstances and ignore the sacrifices at other positions we would make to do what you want.

Red, I am an OL man, and I believe that is where it starts. I also saw Gettlemen's dilemma when he was having to make decisions. Looking back, I cannot find the spot where he should have reached for a T, based on what I now know about the player in the NFL.

I can say that, late in the draft, I really wanted UNC T Hurst. That pissed me off. However, he would not be able to correct the problem this year.

You do know Manning also had atleast 4 to 5 legitimate pass catching option right?

[SCP]

If I had any power in the Panthers organization, I shut down Cam for the rest of the year. He's on his way to being David Carr'd

He's going to get blasted in New Orleans tomorrow. Their pass rush with the crowd noise and Shula's slow developing plays are going to fug up Bell and Remmers.

[MHS831]

You do know Manning also had atleast 4 to 5 legitimate pass catching option right?

 

They did not have 4 to 5 legitmate pass catching options before he got there.  He makes average into good, good into great.  He makes his OL and his WRs successful by being accurate and consistent.  They know when and where to expect the ball.  He reads quickly and delivers the ball in 2.8 seconds on average.  They are all  on the same page.  He holds them responsible and leads on the field and on the sideline.  He makes an offense great when others make excuses. 

[WOW!!]

Again, you use extended variables instead of on-the-field statistics to unsuccessfully avoid the obvious. Do you think there are offenses in the NFL that are not "WR friendly" by design?

Secondly, If you have to drop down to the 3rd WR to find some ray of light then you are making a strong point---mine.

Yes Shula system is a perfect example of a offense not made for big numbers by WR'S. The numbers point that out over his career and all the offenses he has ran.

You brought up statistics and then run away when people give you a example. . Ted Ginn had the best season of his career here. That is a example of Cam elevating a player who was primarily a special teamer every where but here.

Also look up Olsen's numbers they are the highest of his career as well.

[WOW!!]

They did not have 4 to 5 legitmate pass catching options before he got there. He makes average into good, good into great. He makes his OL and his WRs successful by being accurate and consistent. They know when and where to expect the ball. He reads quickly and delivers the ball in 2.8 seconds on average. They are all on the same page. He holds them responsible and leads on the field and on the sideline. He makes an offense great when others make excuses.

Just stop now Welker was a top Wr before Manning and Decker and Damarius Thomas were early round picks with great talent. They found a gem in Julius Thomas who is immensely talented for a TE.

Manning has never played with sub par talent let it go.

[Happy Panther]

11%

incorrect

[Happy Panther]

I guess it is Cam's fault to the extent that he is letting the lack of success get to him. He, like many, seems to thrive on success. When he is running well, he throws well and when we are winning he seems to have that spark that gives us comeback wins and amazing plays. Success begets success and failure failure.

 

So 11%

 

 

[Lumps]

As much as it is the other players, which is less than the coaches, which is less than JRs.

[beastson]

Offense 27th

 

Defense 29th

 

Special Teams Dead Last

 

 

 

About a good 2% I say

[CelibatePimp]

Again, you use extended variables instead of on-the-field statistics to unsuccessfully avoid the obvious.  Do you think there are offenses in the NFL that are not "WR friendly" by design?

 

Secondly, If you have to drop down to the 3rd WR to find some ray of light then you are making a strong point---mine.

 

 

SEA, NYJ are those I can think of right now.

[MHS831]

Yes Shula system is a perfect example of a offense not made for big numbers by WR'S. The numbers point that out over his career and all the offenses he has ran.

You brought up statistics and then run away when people give you a example. . Ted Ginn had the best season of his career here. That is a example of Cam elevating a player who was primarily a special teamer every where but here.

Also look up Olsen's numbers they are the highest of his career as well.

 

I just think excuses are for losers.  Everyone has to deal with adversity.  I have had cancer twice, but I have friends who bitch more about a cold than I ever did about my disease.  I understand that the cards are not favorable right now, but champions step up, losers point fingers.  It is that simple to me.  Behind the same OL and using the same WRs (except Benjamin had less experience), Derek Anderson has a QB rating of 115 this year in 4 appearances and 1 start.  Cam's qb rating is 79, the lowest in his career and about 10 points below his rookie season.  Somehow, you see him as great and being held back by others.  I think I am nice when I say, "We don't know how good he can be."  Frankly, elite qbs don't need to be surrounded by elite talent to be good-that is what you do for below-average qbs.

 

A TE leading your team in receiving in the NFL is not a good thing--as bad as your QB leading the team in rushing. 

[CelibatePimp]

They did not have 4 to 5 legitmate pass catching options before he got there.  He makes average into good, good into great.  He makes his OL and his WRs successful by being accurate and consistent.  They know when and where to expect the ball.  He reads quickly and delivers the ball in 2.8 seconds on average.  They are all  on the same page.  He holds them responsible and leads on the field and on the sideline.  He makes an offense great when others make excuses. 

 

Of course Manning makes those around him better. Cam is not there yet and the coaching he's receiving has messed him up. He can also be more proactive anyways. I never liked all the talk this offseason saying he was participating more in the mental side of the offense due to injury. That was when I began to question his mental commitment to the game.