What percentage is it Cam's Fault?

[GoobyPls]

8%

BTW letting go of Smith was by far his dumbest move. We are strapped for money yet your paying him to play for another team LMAO

[Frank Hollywood]

Cam is playing scared, and I don't blame him. If you believe he should be playing like his old self while being worried about being blindsided every time he has the ball more than a quarter of a second then a lot of this is his fault.

If you believe his play is excusable as I do, then not much blame goes to him.

[AceBoogie]

I don't know how good Cam is and I don't know how bad he is. I can't tell you poo about Cam until they decide to put a team around him. The mistakes I see Cam make are the some of the same mistakes i see "elite" qbs make, but they're allowed to keep attacking. In the offense we run it requires Cam to be mistake free, so when he does make a mistake it looks worse than it is.

The biggest problem Cam faces is that the defense knows when we're passing and they know when it's a run.

[SCP]

I don't know how good Cam is and I don't know how bad he is. I can't tell you poo about Cam until they decide to put a team around him. The mistakes I see Cam make are the some of the same mistakes i see "elite" qbs make, but they're allowed to keep attacking. In the offense we run it requires Cam to be mistake free, so when he does make a mistake it looks worse than it is.

The biggest problem Cam faces is that the defense knows when we're passing and they know when it's a run.

Yep, it's hard to judge a QB when an imbecile is calling the plays.

[TheRed]

0% when we lose

but 100% when we win

 

We don't even know how good Cam is because we can't find the $$ to surround him with talent.  Let's say this---he was better when the OL was better, worse when it was worse.  Is he making players around him better like a real elite QB does?  In my opinion, NO.  Has he ever?  NO.  Lafell was worse when he was here than with Brady.  Smith is surpassing last season's numbers in Baltimore with Flacco.  Is he better now than he was as a rookie, when we all agreed that he was raw?

 

My word. I don't even know where to begin here.

 

Can't find the money to surround him with talent, lol you don't believe that line do you? It's called the draft. Build around your QB.

 

Elite QB's don't turn undrafted players that shouldn't even be backups into fugging all pros. You look at Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees, they have immense talent around them, and they maximize it. They aren't dumpster diving at every other position.

[AceBoogie]

My word. I don't even know where to begin here.

Can't find the money to surround him with talent, lol you don't believe that line do you? It's called the draft. Build around your QB.

Elite QB's don't turn undrafted players that shouldn't even be backups into fugging all pros. You look at Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees, they have immense talent around them, and they maximize it. They aren't dumpster diving at every other position.

And people forget how 89 was talking retirement until Cam came and brought his career back to life. Lafell also was a player that improved every year. But the patriots have a system that works.

[TheRed]

And people forget how 89 was talking retirement until Cam came and brought his career back to life. Lafell also was a player that improved every year. But the patriots have a system that works.

 

Using Lafell as an example of Newton not being able to make players better literally has my chuckling.

 

Lafell would still be here if he hadn't disappeared in the second half of a contract season.

 

In the win in Atlanta last season, with Steve Smith out, Lafell had zero catches, and he himself afterward basically came out and said that he wasn't sure he wanted the pressure of being the main guy. I think he would still be here if he had shown up when we needed him to the most.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

If I had any power in the Panthers organization, I shut down Cam for the rest of the year. He's on his way to being David Carr'd

[MHS831]

My word. I don't even know where to begin here.

 

Can't find the money to surround him with talent, lol you don't believe that line do you? It's called the draft. Build around your QB.

 

Elite QB's don't turn undrafted players that shouldn't even be backups into fugging all pros. You look at Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees, they have immense talent around them, and they maximize it. They aren't dumpster diving at every other position.

 

I know where to begin.

Sure you can say "the draft!!" and feel good about it, but look back at the draft when we were picking.  Your way, we grab Morgan Moses instead of Kelvin Benjamin. He is probably a bust, and most all of the Tackles drafted after him are developing.  Some have already been moved to G, and even the first rounders are struggling at LT.  The only way we draft a top T was to move up.  If you do that, we don't get Ealy in the second round, a player that will pay off soon.  Turner will be solid.  Yes, I wanted a T in the draft, but I can't tell you who and when even with the benefit of hindsight, something you are employing right now.  For Cam to be effective this year we needed a free agent.  That market was poor as well, so every decent T was overpaid.  We did not have the funds to overpay while trying to correct the cap mess we are currently in.  I am just being a realist.  You don't have to like the reality of the situation, but I see the fix Gettlemen was in.  I assure you, the plan was not to go with Bell and Chandler---however, the talent was either not available or affordable. 

 

Manning went to the super bowl with 3 scrub offensive linemen last year. Clady was injured and he actually was on his third center most of the year.  Bad example.   

 

Blaming the UFAs is fair, but we have been getting production out of Norwell.  I agree with your statement, but expecting rookies to solve the problem in the draft would have cost us talent at WR and on the DL.  And the rookies who were drafted in the first 2 rounds have basically done little. 

 

But the fact that I suggest that we do not know how good Cam is due to the OL is somewhat of an agreement with you.  The problem is you suggest hypothetical solutions that ignore the circumstances and ignore the sacrifices at other positions we would make to do what you want. 

 

Red, I am an OL man, and I believe that is where it starts. I also saw Gettlemen's dilemma when he was having to make decisions.  Looking back, I cannot find the spot where he should have reached for a T, based on what I now know about the player in the NFL. 

 

I can say that, late in the draft, I really wanted UNC T Hurst.  That pissed me off.  However, he would not be able to correct the problem this year.

[Jangler]

[AceBoogie]

Using Lafell as an example of Newton not being able to make players better literally has my chuckling.

Lafell would still be here if he hadn't disappeared in the second half of a contract season.

In the win in Atlanta last season, with Steve Smith out, Lafell had zero catches, and he himself afterward basically came out and said that he wasn't sure he wanted the pressure of being the main guy. I think he would still be here if he had shown up when we needed him to the most.

I think they viewed Ginn as the priority and tried late to bring Lafell back.

[AviationMX]

is this one of the questions like how responsible is pitcher for his win/lose record?

 

maybe 20%...interceptions can kill a team. 

[Anybodyhome]

So, I'm guessing those of you who do not believe he has any fault in the performance of this team won't have a problem paying him about $25M a year?

[WOW!!]

0% when we lose

but 100% when we win

We don't even know how good Cam is because we can't find the $$ to surround him with talent. Let's say this---he was better when the OL was better, worse when it was worse. Is he making players around him better like a real elite QB does? In my opinion, NO. Has he ever? NO. Lafell was worse when he was here than with Brady. Smith is surpassing last season's numbers in Baltimore with Flacco. Is he better now than he was as a rookie, when we all agreed that he was raw?

Lafell numbers got better every season and you have yet to figure out Josh McDaniel and that Patriot system is way more WR friendly then Shula's. Who I'm still trying to figure out if he know how route combination work.

Also what about Ted Ginn did Cam make him better then he was??