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So is he not allowed to see what the young guys have in games if Cason is still on the roster? He couldn't just bench Cason? What if the young guys have nothing and then we have no secondary because he cut Cason before we could see?

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That is true - Like him or not, Ron has had to answer for everything including when the Hardy situation was going down. It's all Ron alone on an island when it comes to doing the talking. 

 

I understand that Gettleman didn't really make himself available when things were good so I don't expect him to do so now. There is no way that Ron can believe the things he says in the pressers and if he does......oh my.

 

And what about the owner speaking out on the sh*tty product he trots out to the people who repeatedly give him their hard earned money each home game? That would be a noble thing to do but it won't happen.  

 

I actually think he does believe what he's saying, which I agree is sad.

 

See, if it were just the words, then you could call it coachspeak.  But when you pair it with the depth chart decisions he's made, you see a pattern.  Improvement only seems to come when an injury takes the decision out of his hands and forces him to do something he wouldn't otherwise do (Williams vs Stewart is a prime example, but sadly not the only one).

 

Hate to say it because I like him, but Rivera really is the big problem.

 

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I wish Jordan owned us. Has the hornets seen success under him? No not really, but at least he's bold and has a spine and isn't afraid to make big changes and not settle for lateral moves

Yeah that was so satisfying for raiders fans when al Davis ran the team right

Having a GM that does a bunch of crazy poo in the name of winning but fails at it doesn't seem much different to me

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So is he not allowed to see what the young guys have in games if Cason is still on the roster? He couldn't just bench Cason? What if the young guys have nothing and then we have no secondary because he cut Cason before we could see?

 

That's the same backward ass logic he used when they cut Avant.

 

Newsflash Ron... you can keep a guy and not play him.

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I actually think he does believe what he's saying, which I agree is sad.

 

See, if it were just the words, then you could call it coachspeak.  But when you pair it with the depth chart decisions he's made, you see a pattern.  Improvement only seems to come when an injury takes the decision out of his hands and forces him to do something he wouldn't otherwise do (Williams vs Stewart is a prime example, but sadly not the only one).

 

Hate to say it because I like him, but Rivera really is the big problem.

 

 

 

Not to defend Ron at all because I think he has turned this season into a clusterf*ck but when it comes to Williams vs. Stewart, I was listening to Kroeger yesterday on my drive home and they were discussing that exact thing. I can't remember for the life of me who his guest hosts were but they seemed pretty confident that the call to play DeAngelo over Stewart was not in Rivera's hands to begin with. I believe it was Voth but I could be wrong because I was flipping around a bit. 

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I actually think he does believe what he's saying, which I agree is sad.

 

See, if it were just the words, then you could call it coachspeak.  But when you pair it with the depth chart decisions he's made, you see a pattern.  Improvement only seems to come when an injury takes the decision out of his hands and forces him to do something he wouldn't otherwise do (Williams vs Stewart is a prime example, but sadly not the only one).

 

Hate to say it because I like him, but Rivera really is the big problem.

 

 

I think he simply is hands off his offense.  He lets his Offensive staff have near complete control.  Which is why there is no fingerprint showing any similarity between his 2011-2012 O and 2013-2014 O.

 

Which is also why Stewart was the favored RB for one era (11-12) and Williams now the favored one for Shula/who also got Williams old RB coach.  When healthy, 28 looked the best in both.

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So is he not allowed to see what the young guys have in games if Cason is still on the roster? He couldn't just bench Cason? What if the young guys have nothing and then we have no secondary because he cut Cason before we could see?

You have to make roster space to bring people up.  If he just benches Cason, how would he sign Byndom to the 53?  Also, Cason isn't a big loss at this point.  QB's are completing 80%+ of their passes his way, and averaging over 120 QBR.  I don't think we'll be in much worse shape without him.

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Not to defend Ron at all because I think he has turned this season into a clusterf*ck but when it comes to Williams vs. Stewart, I was listening to Kroeger yesterday on my drive home and they were discussing that exact thing. I can't remember for the life of me who his guest hosts were but they seemed pretty confident that the call to play DeAngelo over Stewart was not in Rivera's hands to begin with. I believe it was Voth but I could be wrong because I was flipping around a bit. 

 

 

If not Ron's call, who's call was it?

 

Gman?  JR?

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