Al Wallace said Cam Newton will never be a franchise qb

[WOW!!]

Of course he doesn't have to knock heads, just talk to his teammates about what is going on, on the field. Be a signal caller. If you can't do that, you are not worth the market setting contract. I'll give him a Alex Smith type of deal. Alex Smith made it all the way to the NFC championship game with good talent and a good HC when he was with the 49ers. With the Chiefs, he made the playoffs with an accomplished HC in Andy Reid. So guys like that need talent around them to do something. Guys like Brady and Manning can win 11 or more games with every team in this league, including ours because they talk to the guys they are playing with. Coach them up. Just look at what Lafell is doing in NE, becoming the number one receiver for Brady. Eric Decker had good seasons with Manning, and even though Demairyus Thomas is a good receiver, he's an all-star with Manning.

Again not knocking Cam, but if Brady or Manning were here on this very team, KB would be having an even better season than what he's having right now. Of course experience for Brady and Manning would factor into it, but mostly because these guys are signal callers. Can Cam turn into that at some point in his career? I doubt he will as a Panther. When it comes to the team's performance, Cam only looks at what he's doing. He goes to the sideline after every drive and talks with his QB coach, and then goes back out there on the field. Then when we are getting blown out, we usually see him on the sideline with a blank expression across his face. The camera has yet to show a shot of him talking to his teammates trying to figure stuff out. Of course if it did, I don't remember. Yet with guys like Luck/Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Big Ben/etc., there are plenty of camera shots with them coaching their guys up or talking to their guys. We hear soundbites from them if their mic'ed up. Those are guys who deserve the big contract because they don't need as much around them to get the job done.

So you're saying if Tom Brady or Manning was our QB besides Cam, we would still only have 3 wins this year?

With the punishment they would take and no running game to depend on they would be crushed without Cam's size..

[MHS831]

WOW, you sure make a lot of assumptions and then promote them as facts.

 

This year Cam is 2-8-1 in the worst division in recent NFL history.  What exactly (aside from excuses that explain why he is NOT performing well), tells you that we have a gem at QB?  All you see is bad QB play.  I get the feeling that you KNOW he would be great only if he has great players around him.  How?  We have seen 1 winning season, and I thank the defense, a bad snap in Atlanta, a dropped pass in Miami, and a "no call" in the end zone vs. New England for that.  I am waiting to see evidence of greatness at QB in the NFL. So far, he has flashed, but he has sucked as often.

[WOW!!]

WOW, you sure make a lot of assumptions and then promote them as facts.

This year Cam is 2-8-1 in the worst division in recent NFL history. What exactly (aside from excuses that explain why he is NOT performing well), tells you that we have a gem at QB? All you see is bad QB play. I get the feeling that you KNOW he would be great only if he has great players around him. How? We have seen 1 winning season, and I thank the defense, a bad snap in Atlanta, a dropped pass in Miami, and a "no call" in the end zone vs. New England for that. I am waiting to see evidence of greatness at QB in the NFL. So far, he has flashed, but he has sucked as often.

And Cam has the worst supporting cast and maybe the worst Coaching in this division.

And I think we have a Gem at QB because I've seen him do more with less then many other players.

I've seen a guy who day one has been asked to be a teams QB, leading RB, short yard FB, scat back on 3rd down and most dynamic offensive weapon on the field and succeed.

[teeray]

WOW, you sure make a lot of assumptions and then promote them as facts.

This year Cam is 2-8-1 in the worst division in recent NFL history. What exactly (aside from excuses that explain why he is NOT performing well), tells you that we have a gem at QB? All you see is bad QB play. I get the feeling that you KNOW he would be great only if he has great players around him. How? We have seen 1 winning season, and I thank the defense, a bad snap in Atlanta, a dropped pass in Miami, and a "no call" in the end zone vs. New England for that. I am waiting to see evidence of greatness at QB in the NFL. So far, he has flashed, but he has sucked as often.

107 TDs by the time he was 25?

[CPcavedweller]

Now where is someone to make the Peyton Manning statistics comparisons through his first 6 seasons when you need them. What about Aaron Rodgers(rhetorical question)?

[CPcavedweller]

107 TDs by the time he was 25?

I'm gonna play this card, I think a lot of it has to do with him being black. Now people may not consciously draw conclusions on him based on that but it certainly plays a factor. Andrew Luck wouldn't fare much better with Mike Shula and the decision making in the front office, but I feel he wouldn't face the same criticism.

[Matthias]

 

Manning and Brady would probably be injured and out for the season by now. They can't take the hits that Cam has to take week after week due to this pathetic O line.

 

This is assuming Brady/Manning would take the same amount of hits that Newton is taking.  There is a major difference in playing style between them.  A lot of sacks taken by Cam came on plays where the defense was blitzing, and the receivers were going 40 yards down the field.  Brady and Manning would direct the offense, and call for shorter routes/draw plays/etc.  Cam doesn't direct the offense like that, he mostly only go with the play that's called on the sidelines.

 

Surely you can't be serious?! Any other QB might be dead already playing on this team or woulda tried to kill one of his teammates by now.

Our best 2 WRs are ROOKIES, one's undrafted and the other is as raw as Cam was. People predicted this team to be bad this year for obvious reasons, none of them were bc of our quarterback.

 

Didn't Brady take 2 rookies in Aaron Dobson and Josh Boyce all the way to the AFC championship game last year?  This is what Brady can do, coach his guys up.

 

With the punishment they would take and no running game to depend on they would be crushed without Cam's size..

 

The only time Brady had a run game was when Corey Dillon came to the Patriots back in 2004-2005.  Peyton haven't had a run game since Joseph Addai's decent years.  Of course again, these guys are signal callers.  Cam takes his beating because he doesn't check out of plays.  You really think Shula would only let Brady and Manning check out of 30% of the plays called?  Newton is hand cuffed, and it's his fault because he's not a signal caller.  Luck wouldn't allow that to happen to him.

 

In any case, Cam needs good talent around him before you get your money's worth.  There won't be any money if we give him a record breaking contract.

[teeray]

Have you noticed lately that the Cam critics are the one's obsessing over Luck these days?

They always accuse people who support Cam as a franchise QB of being obsessed with Luck.

Now they are the people who bring his name up in every thread.

So i guess what the argument against Cam now is "he isn't as good as Manning and Brady are NOW (not 13 years ago) and he isn't the "best QB prospect in 20 years" like Luck, therefore he isn't a franchise QB and doesn't deserve a 2nd contract.

Fun fact about those three guys. Between the 3 of them you know how many cumulative Super Bowls they have won in the years they have thrown 30+ TDs?

One.

That is not really fair to Luck considering this is only his third year. So you can exclude him from that if you want.

Tom Brady has NEVER won a Super Bowl when he has thrown 30+ TDs and and Peyton has only won 1 Super Bowl.

Point being, Cam doesn't have to be those guys for us to win a Super Bowl.

And just because he isn't those guys doesnt mean he is not a franchise QB.

But the market has spoken and the QB market has been set. You are going to have to pay him to keep him.

And I think it is laughable that some of you guys act like Cam is just a dime a dozen QB where we "just get another young QB"

We have a young talented QB right now. Develop him.

If you are waiting for a QB that comes out and proves they are just as good as Manning and Brady within their first 4 years you will never be satisfied.

No QB would EVERY get a second contract by that stupid standard. Except maybe the best QB prospect in 20 years like Luck

[Matthias]

If Cam took an Alex Smith deal, I'm all for it.  Yet 120-130million+?  I will bring up the top QBs and compare them to Cam who's in his 4th year if we are talking that kind of contract.  Luck would be worth that kind of contract because he coaches his guys up.  Cam only focuses on what he's doing.  Look at all the commercials he's been in, and how they're always directed at his performance and people doubting him.  This is where his mindset is at.  Plain and simple, he doesn't  inspire the guys around him to lift their game to the next level.  That being the case, I wouldn't give him the big deal.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

people are still doing the "cam writes his own commercials" thing huh

 

it wasn't crafted by some marketing team at nike or gatorade or under armour or whoever to reference a media narrative and sell to a target demographic.

 

no, cam put on his shiny shoes and got his suit dry cleaned and got up in front of the big wigs and pitched a commercial he wrote himself about his personal mentality.

[Silent Majority]

Grateful for what exactly?! 3 losing seasons? one playoff appearance that was a loss? His terrible deep ball? Slow decision making? He is TERRIBLE, pure and simple, he has regressed and made no progress whatsoever. I hope we let him walk and draft his replacement within the first two rounds. He is not a good QB whatsoever.

I used to marvel at just how fuging clueless a large section of this fanbase is. Now, meh. Every family has that one relative nobody speaks of. Yous guys are them.

[Silent Majority]

Do what? We didn't have a wide receiver even get close to 1000 yards last year.

Newton also lead the team in rushing in 7 games last year. What's that you were saying about very good running backs?

Where the hell are you getting your information from?

His ass

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

i'm getting close to being over it

 

i almost want it to happen.  i want to taste your dumbass tears when cam is putting up 5000 yards of offense and the cowboys or cardinals are the top seed in the NFC

[CPcavedweller]

This is assuming Brady/Manning would take the same amount of hits that Newton is taking. There is a major difference in playing style between them. A lot of sacks taken by Cam came on plays where the defense was blitzing, and the receivers were going 40 yards down the field. Brady and Manning would direct the offense, and call for shorter routes/draw plays/etc. Cam doesn't direct the offense like that, he mostly only go with the play that's called on the sidelines.

Didn't Brady take 2 rookies in Aaron Dobson and Josh Boyce all the way to the AFC championship game last year? This is what Brady can do, coach his guys up.

The only time Brady had a run game was when Corey Dillon came to the Patriots back in 2004-2005. Peyton haven't had a run game since Joseph Addai's decent years. Of course again, these guys are signal callers. Cam takes his beating because he doesn't check out of plays. You really think Shula would only let Brady and Manning check out of 30% of the plays called? Newton is hand cuffed, and it's his fault because he's not a signal caller. Luck wouldn't allow that to happen to him.

In any case, Cam needs good talent around him before you get your money's worth. There won't be any money if we give him a record breaking contract.

Dude is still on his rookie contract while Peyton and Brady are in their upper 30's. How the hell people continue to try to compare the way Cam operates to these guys blows my mind.