Al Wallace said Cam Newton will never be a franchise qb

[Davidson Deac II]

 

 

 

Contract wise, it should be easy to trade Cam.  I think he is due to make around 14-15 million next year, not bad for a franchise QB.  Of course the team he would go to will give him a long term deal.  I think the Jets would be interested in him.  Maybe the Rams, Titans, etc.  There would be teams who want him.

 

 

I think he needs a dynamic coach who will talk to guys on the offense about their play.  Get everybody on the same page and things like that.  I don't know about Gettleman, but we all know JR only like defensive minded coaches right now.  That could change, but I don't want to give Cam a huge contract only to be stuck with another defensive guy at HC.

 

 

 

 

We aren't trading Cam.  The Rams have a more defensive minded coach than we do.   And the Jets are as bad as we are, and historically they are worse.  Not sure how either team be an improvement.  And JR will likely buy off on whomever Gettleman picks. 

 

[Matthias]

Charlie Weiss failed as a HC not at OC so you would be wrong calling him a sub par OC like Shula is..

 

And Again none of your so called Play callers have had to succeed in the situation that Cam is in now... Not one of them..

 

You're making a opinion based on nothing..

 

Before Tom Brady nor after Tom Brady, it doesn't look like the guy had any success.  Weiss sucks, or else he would be an OC somewhere right now.  With that said, the point is if you put Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, on this very team right now, we would be better for the simple fact of these guys being signal callers.  These guys wouldn't have as many sacks, because they would be calling for shorter routes at the receiver position.  They would change the play based on what they are seeing at the line.  They may check to run plays etc.  If someone messed up, they would be talking to that guy and seeing what is up.  Cam doesn't do these things.  He goes and talk with his coach after every drive.  That is it, from what we can tell.  I don't see him talking to Benji about certain plays, nor any of the other receivers.  I don't see him talking to the offensive linemen, and we really need someone to light into Bell.

[Matthias]

We aren't trading Cam.  The Rams have a more defensive minded coach than we do.   And the Jets are as bad as we are, and historically they are worse.  Not sure how either team be an improvement.  And JR will likely buy off on whomever Gettleman picks. 

 

 

Any problems Cam face from coaching on the trading team won't be our problem.  Cam is a franchise guy and any team who trades for him will likely give up a good bit.

[WOW!!]

Before Tom Brady nor after Tom Brady, it doesn't look like the guy had any success.  Weiss sucks, or else he would be an OC somewhere right now.  With that said, the point is if you put Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, on this very team right now, we would be better for the simple fact of these guys being signal callers.  These guys wouldn't have as many sacks, because they would be calling for shorter routes at the receiver position.  They would change the play based on what they are seeing at the line.  They may check to run plays etc.  If someone messed up, they would be talking to that guy and seeing what is up.  Cam doesn't do these things.  He goes and talk with his coach after every drive.  That is it, from what we can tell.  I don't see him talking to Benji about certain plays, nor any of the other receivers.  I don't see him talking to the offensive linemen, and we really need someone to light into Bell.

 

 

Who was the play caller when Matt cassell lead the team to a 11-5 record??? Some how that system seem to keep going..

 

 

Also your play callers will need Wr to get open and a Oline to block when they switch plays..

 

 

Manning, Brees, Brady or Rodgers aren't going to make Bell a LT or Cotchery a number #2 wr.

 

They can't stop punt blocks or a defense giving up 27 ranked most points a game.

 

They also won't make many plays on there backs waiting for guys who can't consistently get separation get open..

 

I'm sorry none of these guys have had to be in Cam situation now.. So you have no facts to back up this opinion..

[WOW!!]

And they've had just one win season since then. If they have another losing season this year, it'll be two out of three years. I'm sure that's what you want. You're hurting my brain.

 

 

you said about putting weapons around Cam... You are changing the question again

[WOW!!]

Dude I can't with you. You're complaining about me not answering your questions but I asked you if those teams paying those high QB salaries have the same cap and depth issues as us.

Why don't you practice what you preach?

 

 

This this is a example of the stupid poo that pimp does..

 

This is the question he asked

 

After Answering the question with the Saints he post this

 

 

CelibatePimp, on 02 Dec 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

And they've had just one win season since then. If they have another losing season this year, it'll be two out of three years. I'm sure that's what you want. You're hurting my brain.

 

 

He asked a question and then changes the criteria  when you answer it.. All the while never answering your questions

 

LOL!!!

[Matthias]

Who was the play caller when Matt cassell lead the team to a 11-5 record??? Some how that system seem to keep going..

 

 

Also your play callers will need Wr to get open and a Oline to block when they switch plays..

 

 

Manning, Brees, Brady or Rodgers aren't going to make Bell a LT or Cotchery a number #2 wr.

 

They can't stop punt blocks or a defense giving up 27 ranked most points a game.

 

They also won't make many plays on there backs waiting for guys who can't consistently get separation get open..

 

I'm sorry none of these guys have had to be in Cam situation now.. So you have no facts to back up this opinion..

 

What about the year Peyton didn't play, and the Colts only won 2-3 games?  The same talent was on the team that Peyton usually got 12 wins with, and yet they only won 2-3 games?  It's not all about the talent around the player, it's also about what system the QB fits, and what kind of guy he is.  By the way, Peyton took over a bad Broncos team when he first arrived, and won 13 games that year I believe.  This gives me every reason to believe that Peyton could win 11 games with our offense.  

 

Our defense is pretty decent.  We could have won games with them, so they are not terrible.  There's no question if we had those guys here, they would do more, but again I do factor in experience as well as them being signal callers.

[Byrdman4real]

This hole franchise QB thing is stupid. Right now Cam is our guy bc no one else could do better with this organization and the sorry ass players. He is our franchise QB deal with it. What carolina needs is a franchise coaching staff, which knows how to develop players and use them in the right position the right way. When Cam gets the right coach who will bring out his ability and trust him, then Cam will show all the stupid haters what a franchise QB is and why he is worth a 100 million dollar contract.

[Byrdman4real]

What about the year Peyton didn't play, and the Colts only won 2-3 games? The same talent was on the team that Peyton usually got 12 wins with, and yet they only won 2-3 games? It's not all about the talent around the player, it's also about what system the QB fits, and what kind of guy he is. By the way, Peyton took over a bad Broncos team when he first arrived, and won 13 games that year I believe. This gives me every reason to believe that Peyton could win 11 games with our offense.

Our defense is pretty decent. We could have won games with them, so they are not terrible. There's no question if we had those guys here, they would do more, but again I do factor in experience as well as them being signal callers.

Sorry but Peyton would get killed with this offense line.

[Davidson Deac II]

Any problems Cam face from coaching on the trading team won't be our problem.  Cam is a franchise guy and any team who trades for him will likely give up a good bit.

 

So Cam will want to leave us because we won't put enough talent around him and won't hire the right coaches, but he would be willing to go to a team that is no better off? 

 

But we will not trade Cam, so its a moot point. 

[WOW!!]

What about the year Peyton didn't play, and the Colts only won 2-3 games? The same talent was on the team that Peyton usually got 12 wins with, and yet they only won 2-3 games? It's not all about the talent around the player, it's also about what system the QB fits, and what kind of guy he is. By the way, Peyton took over a bad Broncos team when he first arrived, and won 13 games that year I believe. This gives me every reason to believe that Peyton could win 11 games with our offense.

Our defense is pretty decent. We could have won games with them, so they are not terrible. There's no question if we had those guys here, they would do more, but again I do factor in experience as well as them being signal callers.

That same team got Luck and won 11 games.. They also didn't just lose Peyton that season as well.

[Matthias]

Sorry but Peyton would get killed with this offense line.

 

He would get sacked a lot, yes.  Yet he wouldn't be sacked nearly as many times as Cam.  This is simply because Cam doesn't call for shorter routes, nor does he talk with the guys he plays with.  Peyton does these things with his guys.  It doesn't matter what team you put him on, he will always get 11-12 wins a year.  That is a guy you give the big money to.  If Cam had a dynamic coach, such as Harbaugh or Chip Kelly, I would give Cam the big money.

[CharlottePanther]

I agree wholeheartedly 100% with Al Wallace

[Matthias]

 

So Cam will want to leave us because we won't put enough talent around him and won't hire the right coaches, but he would be willing to go to a team that is no better off? 

 

But we will not trade Cam, so its a moot point. 

 

I'm not saying Cam is wanting to leave us.  I just think it's in our best interest as fans, that Cam be traded now while his stock is still high.  Another year like this, and teams won't give up the house for him.  Even worse if we give him a long term contract next year, and don't provide him with the right coaching staff.

 

That same team got Luck and won 11 games.. They also didn't just lose Peyton that season as well.

 

Luck's a signal caller.  Put him on the Jaguars, he would get 11 wins.