Al Wallace said Cam Newton will never be a franchise qb

[Jangler]

This was the year for Cam to work on accuracy.....but dat oline... 

[Kakarot]

Called it this past offseason, and I know McDougal did too. Lol what do yall expect? You give a QB the bare minimum to work with and expect him to flourish?! Most people in here were saying we were going to be ok, this team is built to have the defense carry us...we'll be fine with patchwork scrubs on the Oline and the scrub WRs Gettleman brought in. WRONG! People in here will blame Cam, but won't give Gettleman any of the blame when this is his mess. Out of all the new QBs to come in, Cam has gotten the worst treatment. His first 3 years, we focused on the defense while all the other young QBs were getting tools to help them grow. We have gone about this the wrong way completely, and I think we're going to lose our QB because of it. Or completely ruin him. His mechanics have regressed because he doesn't trust the Oline.

Cam has been inconsistent this season, and has played bad at times. He also doesn't have much help out there aside from Olsen and Benji. Olsen plays his heart out, but he won't give you much after the catch, and he's not going to make that spectacular catch. Benji goes through concentration lapses, and has dropped some balls this year. He also can be lazy on his routes, and doesn't give you much after the catch either. Cam has to be perfect for this offense to stand a chance.

[CRA]

Issue is you can't evaluate Cam given what is going on around him....OL, WRs and traditinal rush are all issues (rare for that many question marks to exist around a QB IMO)

So heading into this year he was young and doing things no one else has done.

Think it is silly to claim be won't be something at this stage

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Cam Newton is a top 5 QB and has shown a long streak of great accuracy at times he went a long time without an INT u forget how many attempts he went without a pick

Thing is if everyone is doing there jobs around Cam he's going to flourish anyone who is bashing Cam is dumb which is what most of this thread is on a Panthers forum.

Cam is worth 20 mil a year but you say he's not good enough for that and we wouldn't have enough money to surround him with talent? Wrong, and Cam is our franchise QB

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

The Cam hate is as much as ur was pre draft people just don't like Cam for whatever reason so as soon as anyone has a chance to get a little shot in at Cam they take it

"Niggas aim mainly at niggas they can't be" TRUTH!!

[PantherPhann89]

I'll refrain from saying that he's dead wrong for the time being because I want to see Cam play behind a strong o-line and in a system that suits his skill set. Cam was able to set rookie records because that system favored him, the play calling was successful and the players around him was suited for the system as well. Now granted, he's not Brady, Peyton or Rodgers but if we allowed him to be Cameron Newton he'd amaze...

[Dex]

The Cam hate is as much as ur was pre draft people just don't like Cam for whatever reason so as soon as anyone has a chance to get a little shot in at Cam they take it

"Niggas aim mainly at niggas they can't be" TRUTH!!

I actually loved the pick when we took him. My main concern now is his contract and is he really worth that kind of money.

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

I actually loved the pick when we took him. My main concern now is his contract and is he really worth that kind of money.

He absolutely is..

The game on Sunday we'd if had at least 2 more 3 and outs than we did if it wasn't for Cam running for a first down he has like 150+ first down runs in his career only a handful of elite RB have more, that's invaluable

If there were guys open he would just pass for the first down. You can't wonder what you're wondering with what we've got presently around Cam

[Davidson Deac II]

He absolutely is..

The game on Sunday we'd if had at least 2 more 3 and outs than we did if it wasn't for Cam running for a first down he has like 150+ first down runs in his career only a handful of elite RB have more, that's invaluable

If there were guys open he would just pass for the first down. You can't wonder what you're wondering with what we've got presently around Cam

 

Its not quite that simple.  Our receivers certainly didn't play well and do seem to have trouble getting separation, but there were also times that Cam had open receivers but missed them and in one case, threw the ball away on second down when Tolbert had no one near him and would have had a 5-6 yard gain. 

 

That being said, I think that Cam can be a solid quarterback, but we are going to have to put a better offense around him.  He might not ever be a QB who can carry a team the way Brady or Manning can, but he could be good enough to win with a good and consistent supporting cast. 

[MHS831]

I disagree with Wallace's ability to predict the future, but he is not off base at this point in time.  Let's hope that changes and we can tell him that he is wrong.

 

Instead of attacking Wallace, provide facts to support your counter opinion and respect his reasons for his opinion. Remove emotion and consider the facts of others instead of going into a tirade because someone disagrees with you about something that will never be more than opinion.  People who disagree with you are not dumb or stupid; the inability to argue intelligently, however, is.

 

First of all, Cam is a franchise qb.  How good? We don't know yet.  His injuries, the OL, WRs--all good reasons not to know, but terrible reasons to suggest that he is elite.  He has flashed, and when the defense is on its game, Cam has stepped up.  Statistically, he has been incredible (depending on the stats you pick) but these stats are compared to other beginning qbs.  They got better--Elway, for example, completed 48% of his passes his rookie year.  Since Cam was nearly 10% better, it does not mean that Cam is better than Elway. 

 

After all, would Wallace say the same ( not a franchise qb) about the top 25% of NFL QBs?:

 

Peyton Manning

Tom Brady

Drew Brees

Phillip Rivers

Aaron Rodgers

Big Ben

Tony Romo

Andrew Luck

 

No.  They have shown growth, even though some have been behind bad olines (Romo, Ben, Luck, Rivers, and Manning) at times.  Cam has too, but not to the point games have been won as a result of QB play alone as with these 5. Last year, the defense kept us alive most games until Cam got hot.  When we need him to put the team on his back, he has not consistently shown his ability to do that.  Be honest, if we were down by 6 points with 2:00 minutes to go, who above would you sit in place of Cam Newton?  Nothing against Cam--these are the elite qbs in the NFL. 

 

Cam wants elite money, but even second-tier QBs have shown more.  Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Russell WIlson, Colin Kaepernick have been in more critical playoff games (and actually won them).  Statistically, they are no different and athletically, they are all inferior. Throw in strong-arm qbs Stafford and Cutler, along with Foles and Dalton's winning records of late and Palmer's success (before injury) in the desert, and you could argue that Cam has not earned the right to be 100% unanimously thought of as a QB in the top half of the NFL.

 

Yet Ian Rappaport reports that he will demand elite (see the first list of players---the top 25%) money.  Perhaps you can understand why he is still awaiting a contract.  We want to believe--we want him to turn the corner and take this team on his back--but he has yet to do so.  OL, WR, humidity in Spartanburg, OC, GM, schedule, Riverboat,  etc.  I have heard a ton of reasons why we suck.  I am looking for a ton of reasons why we don't.  I hope a healthy Cam behind a good OL and with a stud WR added will be enough to put Cam in the top group, but to say he deserves elite money or belongs in the top 25% at this time is crazy. 

[unicar15]

Hope he's wrong...think he's probably right with exception to the payment aspect. Idt Gettlemen likes Cam. I think we may see some movement this offseason if we have a high draft pick.

It would require replacing the coaching staff BUT...

I honestly could see DG trading Cam for as much as possible and attempting to get a guy like Hoyer (if they go with Manziel), Foles, Eli (as a bridge), or maybe even drafting Mariota.

I just don't think DG believes in Cam ENOUGH to give him a big contract. He hasn't won enough and when he was winning last year it was because we had a historically dominant defense.

OR...absolutely nothing happens this offseason bc it doesn't have to and we continue to build around him until next year. He just hasn't done enough to demand a contract better than the Dalton/Kap deal.

[Pox 08]

As far as the term "Franchise qb"..  Cam is and he isn't...  He should be,  but franchise qbs are normally guys that their respective teams would build around.     The Panthers have used Cam as a #1 overall pick stop gap qb.....  Only in his fourth year do they attempt to really draft some help for him on offense.

 

We bail on Cam and i truly believe that we will turn into a franchise that is trying out a new qb every year...  While Cam will most likely go to a team with decent coaching,  decent Oline, run game and receivers outside of the #1 WR option......and tear it up,  while we,  as fans,  are over here sitting with our thumbs up our ass,  wanting to Lynch Hurney and G-man,  holding that forever grudge. 

[CatMan72]

I think Al Wallace forgot to say:

...until we surround him with a decent offensive line, receivers who are consistently able to get open and play calling that compliments both his unique skill set and the talent around him.

[CelibatePimp]

Had to quote...

Do you really believe...that the Panthers have better offensive potential than the Bengals?!? Cam holding back our offense more than Dalton does his?!?

Using Smith and LaFell stats THIS year to justify them being better than AJ Green, who has been injured, or Sanu, who isn't playing with Tom freaking Brady, is a horrible strategy.

How can ANYONE blame Cam with our O-line, RB, and WR situation?!?

You don't get the point. All this cry that Cam had never had weapons hence his passing numbers are not better than Dalton is hogwash. Dalton has only had AJ Green. Cam has had Smith, LaFell, Olsen and Shockey with the former three for his first three years here but his passing numbers are not better than Dalton.