Should G-man be fired

[top dawg]

Yeah, Gettleman is supposed to be the scouting savant. 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

For those of you saying that signing FA's to multi-year deals is what got us into this mess, that is flat out wrong.

 

What got us into this mess was signing the wrong players to multi-year deals and/or overpaying from a value standpoint. Gettleman earned his chops as a scout and scouting supervisor. If he doesn't have confidence in his ability to pick through players to find good fits then we have more problems than I thought.

 

you might actually be the first person i've seen that's even entertained the idea of gettleman lacking confidence as a decision maker

[PantherFanOne]

Dave Gettleman inherited a cap hell when he became Panthers GM. I feel given time, Dave will right the sunken ship but we have to expect some growing pains along the way.

[teeray]

Having starting caliber players is a good idea. The fact that cap space wasted on Hardy is viewed as a positive by some of you is kinda sad. It's like a weird Stockholm syndrome.

No. It is cap space saved for the future.

I would rather have Luke Kuechly extended than three middling players on the hook for 13 million dollars over the next 3-4 years

[Khaki Lackey]

I think Ron is a bad head coach and beyond redemption. Yeah, he was dealt a bad hand, but this team should not be getting blown out week after week. I could elaborate further, but it's already been discussed to death.

As for Gettleman, I'm not a big fan so far, but he has done some good things to go along with the bad. However, if I were in JR's shoes, I would let him know that he is going to be expected to produce a better product in year 3. That means doing what must be done to get the right coaching staff in here, and getting the players that allow us to be competitive.

Renting Hardy for one year at $13 million was a bad decision and would have been a bad decision even if Hardy were still playing. We had too many holes to tie up that much for one year.

And yes, we could have signed a couple of select players to multi-year deals instead of tying up so much in the franchise tag. We may have had to slightly backload the deals to give us flexibility with Cam's contract, but the cap situation should be improving dramatically in the next couple of years, so multi-year contracts should not have been a deal breaker.

We have to get it right this offseason, or we are perhaps going to waste the best assets we have right now, namely the prime years for Cam and Luke.

Come on, mayne. We're on the brink of getting out from underneath some really bad contracts and you're taking back loading more contracts. On who? Mitchell and Munnerlyn? Do we really want to be overpaying for those caliber players 3 years from now? If Hardy was allowed to play, $13 million for a premier 4-3 DE isn't that ridiculous. We'll never know how it would have turned out, though.

[teeray]

Sure I believe in signing multi-year contracts when the player is worth it. Veldheer was more than worth signing. Just ask the Cards. What I don't believe in is leaving your QB ass up because you decided to gamble on the LT.

You would rather have an average OT on the hook but not extend either Cam or Luke.

The decision was about 95% about saving future cap to sign these two long term. Not because he didn't want to sign an OT

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

extending mitchell, munnerlyn, and ginn for big money would have been vintage marty hurney moves

 

this is just a confused fanbase that's passionate but not very savvy i'm starting to believe.

[Mage]

And I agree the Armanti thing happened to early.....but if Armanti panned out like the others no one would have complained even at that price

 

If Jimmy Clausen would have panned out, no one would have complained.

 

If Everette Brown would have panned out, no one would have complained.

 

If Dwayne Jarrett would have panned out, no one would have complained.

 

If Amini Silatolu would have panned out, no one would have complained.

 

If Jeff Otah would have panned out, no one would have complained.

 

If Sione Fua would have panned out, no one would have complained.

 

I often times agree with you, I enjoy your posts, but that is a terrible argument.  Of course if Armanti Edwards had panned out, nobody would have complained.  That logic applies to every pick and trade in the history of the NFL draft.  As it turns out, Edwards didn't pan out.  We traded a 2nd round pick to move into the 3rd round for 5 receptions and 121 yards.  It was a terrible move.

[top dawg]

You would rather have an average OT on the hook but not extend either Cam or Luke.

The decision was about 95% about saving future cap to sign these two long term. Not because he didn't want to sign an OT

 

I just read something not long ago praising Veldheer for doing a commendable job on the Cards' O-line.  I don't know where you're getting your information, but I remember PFF praising Veldheer last year for being one of the best young talents at OT, a good addition for a team for years to come. Veldheer was exactly the type of player we needed to invest in to improve our OL.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

No. It is cap space saved for the future.

I would rather have Luke Kuechly extended than three middling players on the hook for 13 million dollars over the next 3-4 years

I'm sorry. But the cap space was wasted this year. We are going to have to sign starting players that Aren't terrible for this team to do anything. Room to extend cam and Luke is great, but it's the nfl. Who's the last MVP caliber player that just walked into free agency? It doesn't happen. And, in case you missed it, we have Cam and Luke now, and they can't do anything besides get blown out with this garbage roster.

[Mage]

As far as Gettleman goes... I'm not sure what to think.  We are probably one of the five least talented teams in the NFL and some of that falls on Gettleman for having a poor offseason as far as free agency goes.  However, he's done a solid job in the last two drafts top to bottom and I don't think people realize how poor of a situation he is in cap-wise.  Gettleman has to take into consideration the future as well and we have to save as much money as we can to re-sign Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly.  I understand why he tagged Greg Hardy - I think he knew the team was going to be talent deprived and wanted to leave Rivera with some great talent as he planned to build the team.  This was never a two year plan.

 

If we fired him, I wouldn't be overly bothered by it but I wouldn't agree with it either.  I think he should stay unless he keeps Rivera round.  Then I would be all in favor of getting rid of him.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

You would rather have an average OT on the hook bur nit extend either Cam or Luke.

The decision was about 95% about saving future cap to sign these two long term. Not because he didn't want to sign an OT

 

veldheer was basically the only player out of the entire FA pool at OT that was cheap and is playing above his contract.  that's one guy that nobody here was really clamoring for.

 

anthony collins was supposedly the top tackle on the market but we know how that turned out.  donald penn is playing well too but he's up there in years, has a bigger cap hit, and was basically brought in as a desperation signing when saffold failed his physical with the raiders.

 

wow we sure fell into a bucket of titties and came out sucking our thumbs there!  this was altogether a crap year for OTs-the price scale on the FA market was screwed up and the blue chip prospects have been underwhelming.  the one rookie tackle whom we could have conceivably gotten and that has put together a decent body of work at an actual tackle spot is justin britt and he was widely considered a day three pick pre-draft.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

You would rather have an average OT on the hook but not extend either Cam or Luke.

The decision was about 95% about saving future cap to sign these two long term. Not because he didn't want to sign an OT

False dichotomy. Signing a tackle wouldn't stop us from resiging Luke and or Cam. Hell, keeping Cam makes no sense if you can't even get an average tackle.

[pantherclaw]

It's Dave's fault for doing the best with pennies? Lol

It's Ron's fault that Hardy isn't available?

That the injuries to linemen have made it possible to field the same unit?

I don't think either are at fault for this shitty season.