Should G-man be fired

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i had a few in me last night when i was reading this topic

 

looking back though damn the smitty fanboys got spanked in this thread

[Bronn]

Avant and Cotchery are coaching failures.  Both of them are solid possession receivers that our coaches have tried to use like deep threats.  You say we needed a speed receiver to play Smitty's role?  No problem.  We have one, but up till recently we only used him on punt returns.

 

Likewise, Rivera's scheme has always been heavily pass rush dependent, and losing Hardy hurt but was only part of the problem.  Charles Johnson has not been himself all year (likely due to injury).  With our scheme being a zone blitz, the ideal thing to do would have been to adjust the pressure schemes and start blitzing more.  That didn't happen.

 

Newton?  When was the last time you saw him roll out?  We had offensive line issues a few years ago facing the Vikings with Matt Moore as our quarterback.  The coaching staff made the decision to move him around a lot to try and keep the pressure off of him.  Why hasn't that been done here?

 

Good coaching could have come up with adjustments for every single adversity we've faced this season.

 

We don't have good coaching.

 

I can see your opinions and I agree with them for the most part, but this isn't all about coaching mistakes.

Your GM gave that main guy, the head coach, an extension. He also said of that extension:

 

 

"The team has shown improvement under Ron each year, and he is deserving of the recognition that he has received for the 2013 season," 

 

"We are pleased and excited with the continuity this extension brings."

 

Where are you at now, Dave?

This isn't continuity, other than continuity of the Panthers organizational trend of rewarding limited success (face it, we were mediocre last year even though we made the playoffs... one and done anyone?) and then regressing.

 

Not only that, but you are still holding players accountable (Cason today) that your GM made the ultimate decision to sign, by releasing them in the same season. Where is that same accountability for the staff?

 

The bottom line is that our organization is currently in full on FAIL mode, and Gettleman has done little to nothing to help.

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letting a coach enter the final year of his contract with no extension is basically telling the world that you're lame ducking his ass and you have no intention of keeping him around so we'd be back at square one anyway

[Mr. Scot]

I can see your opinions and I agree with them for the most part, but this isn't all about coaching mistakes.

Your GM gave that main guy, the head coach, an extension. He also said of that extension:

 

Where are you at now, Dave?

This isn't continuity, other than continuity of the Panthers organizational trend of rewarding limited success (face it, we were mediocre last year even though we made the playoffs... one and done anyone?) and then regressing.

 

Not only that, but you are still holding players accountable (Cason today) that your GM made the ultimate decision to sign, by releasing them in the same season. Where is that same accountability for the staff?

 

The bottom line is that our organization is currently in full on FAIL mode, and Gettleman has done little to nothing to help.

 

I can agree that extending Rivera was a mistake, but given what we saw last year pretty much all of us felt there was reason to be optimistic about the future.

 

As to the accountability for the staff, ask me that question again on Black Monday.

 

[Bronn]

letting a coach enter the final year of his contract with no extension is basically telling the world that you're lame ducking his ass and you have no intention of keeping him around so we'd be back at square one anyway

 

So you extend him and then do practically nothing else to improve the team?

 

Give me one good example of a positive from this past offseason not named Kelvin Benjamin.

The jury is out on Bene, Ealy, Turner, and Boston... Gaffney was a total LOL fail by the FO.

 

None of the FAs have done much of anything worth noting.

 

Where are we at now, if it isn't square one? So you are tanking a season while giving a coach an extension, just so it doesn't look like he's being lame ducked. Well forgive me if I'm not patting Gettleman on the back for his good deed to Ron Rivera.

[Mr. Scot]

So you extend him and then do practically nothing else to improve the team?

 

Give me one good example of a positive from this past offseason not named Kelvin Benjamin.

The jury is out on Bene, Ealy, Turner, and Boston... Gaffney was a total LOL fail by the FO.

 

None of the FAs have done much of anything worth noting.

 

Where are we at now, if it isn't square one? So you are tanking a season while giving a coach an extension, just so it doesn't look like he's being lame ducked. Well forgive me if I'm not patting Gettleman on the back for his good deed to Ron Rivera.

 

Ealy has looked like a decent rookie DE.  Turner is definitely a positive and Benwikere looks good too.

 

Gettleman's biggest mistake this past season was believing that Rivera was as good a coach as last season made him seem.

 

[CRA]

Ealy has looked like a decent rookie DE. Turner is definitely a positive and Benwikere looks good too.

Gettleman's biggest mistake this past season was believing that Rivera was as good a coach as last season made him seem.

Heck, last season people were talking about Ron was about to be fired in season.

The Ron extension is almost Hurney-like.

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So you extend him and then do practically nothing else to improve the team?

 

Give me one good example of a positive from this past offseason not named Kelvin Benjamin.

The jury is out on Bene, Ealy, Turner, and Boston... Gaffney was a total LOL fail by the FO.

 

None of the FAs have done much of anything worth noting.

 

Where are we at now, if it isn't square one? So you are tanking a season while giving a coach an extension, just so it doesn't look like he's being lame ducked. Well forgive me if I'm not patting Gettleman on the back for his good deed to Ron Rivera.

 

why is the tyler gaffney thing so hot all of the sudden.  have you people been going through trash cans for stupid ideas that were debunked in july or some poo?

 

i'm going to be nice and explain it one more time: the only way to get a rookie onto IR without letting him take somebody's roster spot on the final 53 is to dump his ass on the waiver wire and cross your fingers that he passes through.  then he can be IR'd.  teams do this literally every offseason-it's a very basic thing and nobody thinks twice about it.  hell we did it this very offseason with edmund kugbila.

 

this time, belichick saw something he liked and put in a waiver claim for our player.  perfectly legal but considered a grey area in the unwritten rules of the league.  he also pulled it in 2011 too.  that was in no way, shape, or form gettleman's fault and it's time everybody understood that.

[Mr. Scot]

why is the tyler gaffney thing so hot all of the sudden.  have you people been going through trash cans for stupid ideas that were debunked in july or some poo?

 

i'm going to be nice and explain it one more time: the only way to get a rookie onto IR without letting him take somebody's roster spot on the final 53 is to dump his ass on the waiver wire and cross your fingers that he passes through.  then he can be IR'd.  teams do this literally every offseason-it's a very basic thing and nobody thinks twice about it.  hell we did it this very offseason with edmund kugbila.

 

this time, belichick saw something he liked and put in a waiver claim for our player.  perfectly legal but considered a grey area in the unwritten rules of the league.  he also pulled it in 2011 too.  that was in no way, shape, or form gettleman's fault and it's time everybody understood that.

 

It happens all the time.

 

Even we've done it.

 

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as for rivera, it's a tough situation but every other team in the league would have done the same thing barring a schottenheimer esque run of futility.  it sucks and it's stupid and unfair and makes no sense to joe fan but that's how it is, okay?

 

we're seeing the exact scenario i talked about play out right now in san francisco.  harbaugh is coming up on the last year of his contract and there have been no negoations because of internal bullshit and jed york is giving him the finger.  he may very well not even get into the final year of his contract because of it.

[Marguide]

you had no problem signing him long term. We actually saved money by only renting him.

But you can't support that. Lol

Then find another team.

Sounds like to me you are just looking for reasons to hate.

 

Putting words in my mouth.

 

I never said I wanted to sign him long term, only that renting him made no sense unless it was for a Super Bowl run. But no, we did not save anything by renting him. We won't be paying him after this year, but we also won't have the player. 

 

As for your "Lol, find another team", thanks for validating my judgement and intellligence. Were you and I in agreement on just about anything in life, I would begin to have my doubts.

[Mr. Scot]

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different result.

 

Yet you keep posting and expecting people to take you seriously.

 

[WOW!!]

Gettlemen was unable to find gems in the dumpster this season, but he still had to try. People here have forgotten just how ludicrous Marty Hurney's last 2 years were--He had the league--and players like DW and CJ literally laughing when asked about their contracts. Hurney buried this team for 5 years on his way out. Blame Gettlemen?

You can't have it both ways..

You have criticized Cam for his play with the crap that now you give Gettelmen a pass for getting. .

[MHS831]

You can't have it both ways..

You have criticized Cam for his play with the crap that now you give Gettelmen a pass for getting. .

 

WTF is yiour point?  Your problem is you try to attack the poster and not the content of the post.

 

Try shopping with no money in your wallet.  I am critical of Cam--yes, if you understand what critical means--my words were "We don't know what we have in Cam..."  I said that many times in many posts.  His stats have regressed.  Having a bad OL (not all 4 years) and a weaker WR corps does not make you a great QB if your stats suck.  It means that it is hard to tell how he would be with talent around him.  However, all QBs depend on talent.  No contradiction here, WOW, unless you spin it so you can argue against it.  The poor supporting cast is on Hurney--and the reason we do not know how good Cam is cannot fall on Gettlemen because he had no money.  If you think, "Well, he shudda drafted a T."  Then go back and see how the players are doing who were there when we drafted. 

 

In baseball, the pitcher is measured on wins and losses.  They do not say," he is 4-12, but his team is not hitting well when he pitches and they make errors." Why is that?  Because all QBs have to overcome adversity on every team in every game.  Cream rises.  Cam is sinking.

 

No other position in team sports determines the outcome of the game more than the NFL QB.  Maybe the variables are adversely impacting Cam.  How many games has he won in a shootout?  As much as his OL and WRs may be hurting him, his defense last year helped him.  He has not shown the ability to take over and run the table.  Currently, he is in the bottom 20% right now and wants to be paid big bucks. 

 

If Cam has to have stud OL and elite WRs around him to be good, is he elite?