So who's actaully to blame here?!

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Seriously. The only thing you can fault Gettleman for is ignoring the offensive line, but only because it is hurting an immobile Cam and he's our most important asset going forward. Very few of the anti Gettleman crowd seem to understand this. The rest put too much emotion into their arguments, mostly because they haven't moved on from Steve Smith.

 

you also have to consider that there is an entire chain of command that leads up to the GM's desk regarding decisions on guys like bell/chandler

 

based on the depth chart decisions we've seen from rivera i don't think it's entirely impossible that some bad information got passed up

[London Loves Luke]

The team has had 5 winning seasons in two decades. 

 

The owner is the consistent factor. 

 

Given Hurney was our GM for 1 of those two decades, he might be a factor too. 

[electro's horse]

Given Hurney was our GM for 1 of those two decades, he might be a factor too. 

He really ended a golden age

[MichaelNewtonII]

We were 12-4 last year, stop blaming Hurney. It wasn't Hurney who decided to let all his free agents that contributed to that success test the market. He had an opportunity to sign all of those guys back for less money than they received elsewhere but he sat around thinking they didn't have value. He dropped the ball on not locking those guys up. Hardy should have never been tagged, he was a luxury and not affordable when you consider the state of the offensive line. Hurney didn't make the decision to go into the season with Bell and Chandler at tackle. Hurley didn't force his pro bowl LT into a paycut sending him to contemplate and eventually retire. Hurney would have never let go of Steve Smith.

In Steve Smith and Jordan Gross you lose the two biggest leaders of this team in the last decade. That wasn't Marty fuging Hurney, that was Dave Gettleman. Lots of teams have bad contracts and salary cap issues every year that they have to deal with. It's how they deal with those issues that separates sorry GMs from good ones. Dave Gettleman failed at his job before the ball was ever kicked off this season. You throw in an incompetent defensive coordinator pretending to be a head coach and this is the result you see.

We haven't even been competitive. Yea the Falcons and Saints have a similar record, but take a look at their point differential. They've at least been competitive and have had some close games. We've been dominated in all phases of the football game. That ain't Marty Hurneys fault. Sooner or later you have to stop blaming your ex girlfriend for your shitty relationship. I'm tired of hearing Dave talk about the team being cap challenged building himself an excuse. Just do your damn job.

#GettleMagic

[yasuhara2241]

All of these answers are good bc they are all true: 

1. Rivera - gone back to conservative and plays players he's loyal too (Deangelo) 

2. Shula - offense lacks identity (changes every week and truth be told every possession) 

3. Hurney - Set us back yrs because of horribly stupid contracts 

4. Gettleman - Not addressing oline but that could be bc of many different things. I don't blame him for the players lost, we had no $$

5. Richardson - He determines the direction of the team and his indecisiveness rubs off 

[MtnJax]

JR for horribly mis-managing the whole thing. To put it in business terms for him, if the Panthers were a publicly traded stock, it would be tanking right now.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

mike mitchell's 2015 cap number: $4,950,000

ted ginn's 2015 cap number: $4,000,000

munnerlyn: $3,833,333

lafell: $3,200,000

anthony collins (that "o-line help" that could have been had so easily apparently): $6,000,000

 

steve smith was due to count around $10 million against the 2015 cap iirc.  his 2014 cap figure would have been $7 million if he was on the roster.

 

that's like $32 million tied up in those players which still looks like cap hell to me.

 

e: decoud and harper can both be 2015 june 1st cuts with no cap penalty btw.  that'd actually be good for more than $2 million in cap savings.

[AceBoogie]

Thats redic. They were all FA and they all wanted to test the market. Their agents knew they could get more elsewhere.

Go back and look at Captains Twitter from this offseason. It was clear that Gettleman made no attempt at keeping a lot of those guys and only tried to run after them after his plan started failing him. You know how you get players to take less? Don't piss them off and sign them before they have a chance to test the market. He sat around and contacted nobody. I can't make yall see the poo I was "bitching" about in March because yall failed to pay attention to it.

All I heard all damn offseason is "it's just March"

[electro's horse]

Go back and look at Captains Twitter from this offseason. It was clear that Gettleman made no attempt at keeping a lot of those guys and only tried to run after them after his plan started failing him. You know how you get players to take less? Don't piss them off and sign them before they have a chance to test the market. He sat around and contacted nobody. I can't make yall see the poo I was "bitching" about in March because yall failed to pay attention to it.

All I heard all damn offseason is "it's just March"

Who cares?

 

Munnerlyn is a 4 foot tall slot corner who's good at blitzing. He's not someone you commit money to. Yeah he was well liked and he played at one of the biggest backup schools in the nations so he'll have lots of fans on here but so what? And they didn't have the money to match anyway. Find me an instance where Captain suggested he'd do anything but take the biggest offer. 

 

Ginn had one good year his entire career, Mitchell was a street free agent. Neither is doing anything for their respective teams right now. Committing money to players who have fluke years is how you end up where we are now, or are you forgetting the big James Anderson contract?

 

None of the FA the Panthers lost were worth what they received elsewhere, and none are performing that well. 

[AceBoogie]

Who cares?

Munnerlyn is a 4 foot tall slot corner who's good at blitzing. He's not someone you commit money to. Yeah he was well liked and he played at one of the biggest backup schools in the nations so he'll have lots of fans on here but so what? And they didn't have the money to match anyway. Find me an instance where Captain suggested he'd do anything but take the biggest offer.

Ginn had one good year his entire career, Mitchell was a street free agent. Neither is doing anything for their respective teams right now. Committing money to players who have fluke years is how you end up where we are now, or are you forgetting the big James Anderson contract?

None of the FA the Panthers lost were worth what they received elsewhere, and none are performing that well.

It's not about what the hell players do for other teams. It's how they fit in YOUR system. Why is that so hard to understand. This Cap hell thing is a fabricated myth. You don't magically become a better team just because you have cap room. A GM has to do their job. Obama could only blame Bush for so long until he had to start actually doing his job. Gettleman has built himself an excuse that he can keep feeding you fans, and you accept it while ignoring all the piss poor decisions he made this offseason.

[Mr. Scot]

It's not about what the hell players do for other teams. It's how they fit in YOUR system. Why is that so hard to understand. This Cap hell thing is a fabricated myth. You don't magically become a better team just because you have cap room. A GM has to do their job. Obama could only blame Bush for so long until he had to start actually doing his job. Gettleman has built himself an excuse that he can keep feeding you fans, and you accept it while ignoring all the piss poor decisions he made this offseason.

 

The salary cap doesn't exist?

 

Why hasn't anyone told us this?

 

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

The salary cap doesn't exist?

Why hasn't anyone told us this?

Not to mention that we can now dismiss what Steve Smith is doing in Baltimore because it doesn't matter.

[Mr. Scot]

Not to mention that we can now dismiss what Steve Smith is doing in Baltimore because it doesn't matter.

 

True, including that one catch, two yard performance from yesterday.

[electro's horse]

It's not about what the hell players do for other teams. It's how they fit in YOUR system. Why is that so hard to understand. This Cap hell thing is a fabricated myth. You don't magically become a better team just because you have cap room. A GM has to do their job. Obama could only blame Bush for so long until he had to start actually doing his job. Gettleman has built himself an excuse that he can keep feeding you fans, and you accept it while ignoring all the piss poor decisions he made this offseason.

 

Regardless of how they fit in your system, there is something called "value," and when you start overvaluing your own players, you run into cap problems. Again, Mitchell and Ginn were street free agents who had been massive disappointments up to that point in their careers and are (guess what) massively disappointing again! Per PFF, Munnerlyn is currently being out played Josh Norman and Bene Benwikere, and neither one of them is costing the team 12 million over 3 years. 

 

And Ted Ginn wasn't even that great for the Panthers last year, I have no idea where this myth of him being some valued commodity has come from.

 

Overvaluing players is a way to get into cap hell, which is a very real thing that the Panthers are in. They got here by overvaluing players they thought fit their system whos production they could find somewhere else. Like DeAngelo Williams, or does he not count because it's hurts your ridiculous thesis? James Anderson "fit the system," was that a good contract? 

 

If you really believe the Cap Hell "thing" is a fabricated myth, I don't know what else to tell you. You clearly have an understanding deficiency at a fundamental level that is going to make moving forward with you very difficult. 

 

Gettleman made the decision to spend what little cap he had on maintaining the pass rush. a good pass rush can mask a weak secondary, just like it did in 2013. Sadly, Hardy beat the poo out of a woman and Charles Johnson is playing hurt. 

 

lol and nice awful analogy there hannity. nothing puts nails in your own arguments coffin like appealing to the AM news crowd.