Thank You For Clarifying, Jose

[Jangler]

Sipping a vodka & juice is hardly "Excessive Use" He wasn't pounding shot after shot.

It should have No bearing on his re-instatement.

His crime wasn't alcohol related I could see it being a problem if it was.

Yeah you can't do that Mike because people are going to use it as ammunition against you.

People need to relax

Wow! It's about responsibility and judgement. And yeah that was what he was thinking "I'm only sipping a legal drink." But those that have put their reputations on the line for him should get a little more respect for it.

[Purity-Control]

Wow! It's about responsibility and judgement. And yeah that was what he was thinking "I'm only sipping a legal drink." But those that have put their reputations on the line for him should get a little more respect for it.

Having 1 drink in a airport bar is hardly a lax in judgment nor is it damaging to those who have put there reputations on the line. It's simply ammunition for the media to re-criminalize the guy.

All the man has to do is follow the rules of his probation and the rules set forth by the Eagles and the NFL, he does not have to appease the public and live some milk toast lifestyle.

People/Media are reaching on this issue, it was NOT a violation of his probation, and has already become a Non Issue.

[Mr. Scot]

Having 1 drink in a airport bar is hardly a lax in judgment nor is it damaging to those who have put there reputations on the line. It's simply ammunition for the media to re-criminalize the guy.

All the man has to do is follow the rules of his probation and the rules set forth by the Eagles and the NFL, he does not have to appease the public and live some milk toast lifestyle.

People/Media are reaching on this issue, it was NOT a violation of his probation, and has already become a Non Issue.

Those rules he has to follow include a prohibition against alcohol, and a vague one at that. Whether it prohibits only "excessive use" or all use is unclear from the wording. And there's a lot at stake for him based on those conditions.

Given that situation, a smarter man would err on the side of caution.

But then, Vick has never been accused of being "a smarter man".

[Purity-Control]

Those rules he has to follow include a prohibition against alcohol, and a vague one at that. Whether it prohibits only "excessive use" or all use is unclear from the wording. And there's a lot at stake for him based on those conditions.

Given that situation, a smarter man would err on the side of caution.

But then, Vick has never been accused of being "a smarter man".

Who's to say Vick didn't discuss or ask for clarification on those rules with the Eagles.

People are jumping to conclusions & assuming he just blatantly violated his terms

[Mr. Scot]

The Eagles issued a statement indicating that they believe (not surprisingly) in the narrow interpretation of the language. Nowhere in that statement do they say he asked for info ahead of time.

Add in that Tony Dungy, no longer Vick's official mentor by the way, stated to Peter King that it was a bad move. Dungy also took the position that Vick could have one drink, but that he shouldn't because it would be a sign of poor judgment.

[Delhommey]

If you're going to meet your future father-in-law or go out with a prospective employer for a dinner interview, it is not illegal to order an adult beverage. It is, unless very explicitly asked, a very bad idea.

Even more so if you're a fresh out of jail ex con whose first act of freedom was to hit the titty bars.

The point not being that Vick was going to marry someone related to the journalist or that he wants to be a member of the press but rather some situations require you to be extra careful of your image.

[Purity-Control]

The Eagles issued a statement indicating that they believe (not surprisingly) in the narrow interpretation of the language. Nowhere in that statement do they say he asked for info ahead of time.

Add in that Tony Dungy, no longer Vick's official mentor by the way, stated to Peter King that it was a bad move. Dungy also took the position that Vick could have one drink, but that he shouldn't because it would be a sign of poor judgment.

Vick paid for his crime, who is anybody to say how the man lives his days as a freeman.

He doesn't have to live in a bubble or live up to some make believe fantasy milk toast image that the public wants. In the eyes of many there is nothing he is going to be able to do to change his image, & they are going to knit pick everything this guy does, 1 drink C'mon really... Oooooo EVIL EVIL BOOZE...EVILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Bad drink Baaad :eek:

As long as he follows the terms of his release/ re-reinstatement to the league everything is a non issue. It's Poor Judgment because every media outlet is going to report everything this guy does, whether he jaywalks or forgets to leave the toilet seat down, Oh No's:eek:... This was obvious media sensationalism & nothing more.

Even more so if you're a fresh out of jail ex con whose first act of freedom was to hit the titty bars.

Same thing media sensationalsim, trying to apply a certain social stigma to a stripclub. He's not going to be able to please everyone yet at the same time he has to be able live his life.

[Mr. Scot]

The rules of polite society are never quite the same once you've broken a significant one (or two).

Buckner had a good summary of it too. He pointed out that there are certain privileges which most enjoy that you lose when you're a convicted felon looking for redemption.

Bottom line for me: Vick has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor have humility and good judgment been his strong suits. It was a combination of stupidity and arrogance that got him in trouble the first time, and I've yet to see much of note to convince me those conditions aren't still in play.

I'd add that no longer having Tony Dungy as a "mentor" isn't the best news for him either.

[Delhommey]

If he didn't want the media following him around, he shouldn't have applied for reinstatement to the NFL. Turns out if you get paid millions of dollars to be watched by millions and followed around by cameras you will be watched by millions and be followed around by cameras. If Vick didn't want this, he should have quietly retired to private life, asking that the media leave him be.

Again, there is nothing bad about the things he did. No one is debating that, and to constantly bring the conversation back to that is a tactit admission that you know you don't really have an argument. It was the timing of the actions that show that Vick just doesn't get it.

[Purity-Control]

Again, there is nothing bad about the things he did. No one is debating that, and to constantly bring the conversation back to that is a tactit admission that you know you don't really have an argument. It was the timing of the actions that show that Vick just doesn't get it.

My argument is that people are wrongly judging the guy after this incident. And that the general public fails to think independently & will just buy into the media sensationalism.

The "bad timing" I don't see it, for me it doesn't matter, his crimes were not alcohol related so there is no correlation for me.

Whether he goes into a strip club after his release from jail or a drink after practice does not indicate to me that he

"Doesn't Get It"

Bottom line for me: Vick has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer, nor have humility and good judgment been his strong suits. It was a combination of stupidity and arrogance that got him in trouble the first time, and I've yet to see much of note to convince me those conditions aren't still in play.

That's a fair assessment. Even if Vick walks a white line for the media and is seen doing nothing but what the public considers "Polite Behavior" who is to say he has truley reformed, he was never in any trouble before the dog incident & honestly only the people close to Vick are going to know if he has truely changed his ways or not.

IMO it's just wrong for people to come out and jump on / judge the guy and claim he hasn't changed & hes the same person, based off the latest events.

It's an agree to disagree with you and Delhommy and I see what you guys are saying, I just don't see it that way and thats my take.

[Bobby]

Those protests and counter-protests could get nasty tonight, I hope they have extra police out there.

[Mr. Scot]

he was never in any trouble before the dog incident & honestly only the people close to Vick are going to know if he has truely changed his ways or not.

Not true. Vick had his fair share of incidents prior to the dogfighting arrest.

(marijuana, stolen watch, etc)

[Purity-Control]

Not true. Vick had his fair share of incidents prior to the dogfighting arrest.

(marijuana, stolen watch, etc)

Doh, that's right

[LelouchBritannia]

Ugh, I'm pretty sure Vick has plenty of lawyers and fully understands what that "vague" passage states. Lawyers we are not, but judge him we do. If he was chugging down 2 24 packs of budweiser and doing keg stands at the airport buck naked then I would agree, that would exhibit very poor judgement, but sipping on a drink with some alcohol? Guess we're all priests now?