Serious Question about righting this roster

[WhoAmI?]

That's your opinion, and not a very well informed one either.

Of all the factors creating problems for this team, he's just about the absolute least of our worries under the circumstances. If you can't see that, then you are intentionally ignoring what everyone else is witnessing to simply serve your own agenda.

We have pieces in place, and we have our QB. We need to protect him, and get a competent staff who are capable of not only developing him but creating game plans and calling plays which play to the strengths of our personnel instead of repeatedly trying to force the same bullshit down the throats of defenses that clearly isn't working and no one else is falling for.

 

Yes, that is my opinion and stats (plus eye test) back it up. Also, I don't think you get what I'm saying. If we are going to pay Cam 100+ mil just to use him as a game manager, then that would be a waste of money, would it not? That's like paying for a Ferrari and never driving it. And if anybody would actually follow my arguments week to week, you would know that I always say that these coaches have hindered and not developed Cam properly, resulting in a mediocre QB. Now, if you were to tell me that in the offseason, we will change our identity as a franchise and actually hire an offensive minded coach and start building around Cam, then I would say pay him. Even then, Cam still has trouble with his reads, progressions, footwork, mechanics, pocket awareness, overthrows, etc. (in large part because our coaches failing to develop him) and is not deserving of that contract he is going to be asking. That's all I am saying pertaining to that topic. The rest of our problems calls for a whole new lengthy discussion.

[TheRed]

I don't think you get what I'm saying. If we are going to pay Cam 100+ mil just to use him as a game manager, then that would be a waste of money, would it not? That's like paying for a Ferrari and never using it. And if anybody would actually follow my arguments week to week, you would know that I always say that these coaches have hindered and not developed Cam properly, resulting in a mediocre QB. Now, if you were to tell me that in the offseason, we will change our identity as a franchise and actually hire an offensive minded coach and start building around Cam, then I would say pay him. Even then, Cam still has trouble with his reads, progressions, footwork, mechanics, pocket awareness, overthrows, etc. (in large part because our coaches failing to develop him) and is not deserving of that contract he is going to be asking. That's all I am saying pertaining to that topic. The rest of our problems calls for a whole new discussion.

There have been no official numbers thrown around that I know of.

Your doomsday contract predictions are speculation. We have no idea what he will sign for.

But if you let him leave, you better damn sure be certain it's the right move.

Letting a player of his talent go before he has even entered his prime could set this franchise back another several years. And as I mentioned in another thread, the fans who pretty much only come around to talk poo about him and never wanted him here in the first place will be long gone if that happens. Just ask teams like the Browns, Jaguars, Titans, Texans, Raiders, Rams etc who have been looking for a quarterback for years with little to no success, and it's not as if the Panthers have been so incredibly successful so far in their existence.

[Diehardpanther02]

Do you even know my argument? YOU DON"T PAY AN INCONSISTENT QB THAT KIND OF MONEY. And you just admitted that Cam has consistency problems. And you wouldn't just be talking about one draft pick. You could get a king's ransom for Cam. Hell, if you can get 3 first round draft picks for an unproven college QB (RGIII), then there is no doubt you could get the same for Cam. All I'm saying is, you would be better off loading up on draft picks and filling many areas of need instead of paying Cam 100+ mil and not being able to sign anybody else.

Yes i know your argument and its ignorant. Period. No legitimacy in your opinion on this matter cam is a top tier qb he jus needs help to be the player he is. Alot has not gone our way this season and to expect perfection from a guy who has no supporting cast is unfair. You want consistency, but you wanna go fishing for qbs, and loading draft picks? Makes no sense whatever. Cam has proven he can be consistent and proven he can play the position at a high level. If andy dalton, colin kaeperdick and carson palmer are worth that kind of money then so is cam. And they have supporting casts along with winning records. End of story.

I cant stress it enough, the incompetence on the head sets is the friggin problem, not cam.

[CelticCat]

Do you even know my argument? YOU DON"T PAY AN INCONSISTENT QB THAT KIND OF MONEY. And you just admitted that Cam has consistency problems. And you wouldn't just be talking about one draft pick. You could get a king's ransom for Cam. Hell, if you can get 3 first round draft picks for an unproven college QB (RGIII), then there is no doubt you could get the same for Cam. All I'm saying is, you would be better off loading up on draft picks and filling many areas of need instead of paying Cam 100+ mil and not being able to sign anybody else.

 

Which team in its right mind is going to trade multiple picks for this mediocre inconsistent QB you believe we have. RGIII is further proof that you shouldn't make franchise defining decisions like that. Its hardly shocking that it was the Redskins that made that horrible trade.

 

You want to fix this team it starts on the line with getting some real tackles.

[Diehardpanther02]

Quite a bit. Jaguars would take a chance, Browns would too, Giants (Eli is getting up their in age), Bills, Philly (you don't think Chip would jump at that?), St. Louis, Jets, and more. All you need is that one team that will give up a lot, which I think they would. The ONE team that I am afraid of getting Cam is the Eagles because Chip would turn him into a legend. Too bad our dumb asses didn't even try to get Chip (who I wanted really badly that offseason).

God man, you dont even realize the idiocy in your post. If an offensive guru like kelly could turn cam into a legend, then what does that mean is the friggin problem. OFFENSIVE PLAYCALLING or lack there of. You sir have discredited your own BSness.

[TN05]

And yet that's not what lost us the game today. Instead it was two blocked punts, terrible offensive strategy again and Rivera's moronic timeout right before the half.

Blocked punts don't happen when your line is good.

[mav1234]

Cam has gone the way of the rest of the team the last few weeks, and at this point, as much as I love him, I'm not certain Gettleman will pay for him when the time comes. :

[OriginalPantherDan]

Do you even know my argument? YOU DON"T PAY AN INCONSISTENT QB THAT KIND OF MONEY. And you just admitted that Cam has consistency problems. And you wouldn't just be talking about one draft pick. You could get a king's ransom for Cam. Hell, if you can get 3 first round draft picks for an unproven college QB (RGIII), then there is no doubt you could get the same for Cam. All I'm saying is, you would be better off loading up on draft picks and filling many areas of need instead of paying Cam 100+ mil and not being able to sign anybody else.

No one will give up everything for Cam right now. Especially since he may be a FA in another year.

[Diehardpanther02]

Yes, that is my opinion and stats (plus eye test) back it up. Also, I don't think you get what I'm saying. If we are going to pay Cam 100+ mil just to use him as a game manager, then that would be a waste of money, would it not? That's like paying for a Ferrari and never driving it. And if anybody would actually follow my arguments week to week, you would know that I always say that these coaches have hindered and not developed Cam properly, resulting in a mediocre QB. Now, if you were to tell me that in the offseason, we will change our identity as a franchise and actually hire an offensive minded coach and start building around Cam, then I would say pay him. Even then, Cam still has trouble with his reads, progressions, footwork, mechanics, pocket awareness, overthrows, etc. (in large part because our coaches failing to develop him) and is not deserving of that contract he is going to be asking. That's all I am saying pertaining to that topic. The rest of our problems calls for a whole new lengthy discussion.

I cant understand the overflow of ignorance spewing from your post. Please prove your so called stats that show cam being mediocre. Even with his mediocre season he is having he still has had one of the best four seasons as a qb. Only

Dan marino has scored more Tds than cam in his first three seasons. You are basing all of your

Opinions on a small sample and thats ludicrous cam has balled his ass off on a mediocre team and taking shots

Becuz of a mediocre line and after

3 whole seasons is just now showing effects from the lack of talent surrounding him. You said yourself if

We cleaned house and hired an oc to play to his strengths he would be fine. How can you believe the bs you say, after discrediting yourself each time u post about this? GTFO with

This bs

[WhoAmI?]

There have been no official numbers thrown around that I know of.

Your doomsday contract predictions are speculation. We have no idea what he will sign for.

But if you let him leave, you better damn sure be certain it's the right move.

Letting a player of his talent go before he has even entered his prime could set this franchise back another several years. And as I mentioned in another thread, the fans who pretty much only come around to talk poo about him and never wanted him here in the first place will be long gone if that happens. Just ask teams like the Browns, Jaguars, Titans, Texans, Raiders, Rams etc who have been looking for a quarterback for years with little to no success, and it's not as if the Panthers have been so incredibly successful so far in their existence.

 

All you have to do is go look at the stats dating back to 2011. He has been ranked near the middle or below average every year in QB rating, completion %, yards, yards per attempt, his TD to Int ratio is not very good, etc. You can go look them up, I don't feel like posting all of them.

 

Also, without Cam's rushing threat, he is a very average QB. As you are already starting to see, his wheels are starting to depreciate and will not be as effective as his career continues. So either he has to start developing into a pure pocket passer, or we will get stuck with a vastly overpaid QB who will still have accuracy problems and can't read defenses consistently.

 

And again, I am not one of those people that come out just to bash Cam. I have consistently felt this way since he got here. He is a decent QB that will have some great games, but overall, will always be inconsistent and erratic. He has yet to prove me wrong. I think a competent coaching staff could change that and hopefully this whole coaching staff is canned by the end of the season (hopefully Shula or Rivera is by Monday).

[Car123]

Go ahead, Couldn't care less. Doesn't change the fact that Cam is an average QB looking for an outrageous contract.

Why can't people understand that this shula offense makes players average. If Cam goes to a team like Philly/Arizona/Dallas he'll turn elite.

[BIGH2001]

Blocked punts don't happen when your line is good.

No one even got in the way of the rushers. That's a protection breakdown. It's on the coach the second time.

[WhoAmI?]

I cant understand the overflow of ignorance spewing from your post. Please prove your so called stats that show cam being mediocre. Even with his mediocre season he is having he still has had one of the best four seasons as a qb. Only

Dan marino has scored more Tds than cam in his first three seasons. You are basing all of your

Opinions on a small sample and thats ludicrous cam has balled his ass off on a mediocre team and taking shots

Becuz of a mediocre line and after

3 whole seasons is just now showing effects from the lack of talent surrounding him. You said yourself if

We cleaned house and hired an oc to play to his strengths he would be fine. How can you believe the bs you say, after discrediting yourself each time u post about this? GTFO with

This bs

 

Cam Newton:

2011- 15th in QB rating, 18th in comp %, 10th in passing yards

2012- 15th in QB rating, 26th in comp %, 13th in passing yards

2013- 16th in QB rating, 17th in comp %, 11th in passing yards

2014- 28th in QB rating, 30th in comp %, 19th in passing yards

 

Seems pretty average to me, and that's only the few major QB categories. You can look at the minor QB statistics too.

 

Also, you don't have to get so sensitive when someone doesn't believe in Cam. You sound kind of hostile.

 

[WhoAmI?]

God man, you dont even realize the idiocy in your post. If an offensive guru like kelly could turn cam into a legend, then what does that mean is the friggin problem. OFFENSIVE PLAYCALLING or lack there of. You sir have discredited your own BSness.

 

Geez, calm down. You're really starting to sound like a whiny girl. And the only reason I say that is because Chip Kelly is a mastermind that can make ANY QB look good. Nick Foles would become a legend too if they were sold on him and he played in the system for a long time. And come to think of it, Cam would still probably struggle in his offense because Chip's system calls for an accurate QB. However, with how many opportunities that offense gets a game and Cam's running threat, it wouldn't even matter. It's more of a praise of Chip than Cam.