Ray Rice Wins Appeal; Immediately Eligible

[Captain Obvious]

 

 And I seriously doubt the team is willing to take the risk of making him another offer.

 

He's done here.

Richardson publicly (and tearfully) defended Hardy. Throw in that Gettleman said they never considered suspending him and Rivera abruptly walked out of the presser pissed off the day they announced him going on the exempt list.

 

Pretty clear the NFL didn't really give the Panthers a choice in the matter.

 

which is it?

From management side not Hardy's side.

[Mr. Scot]

Richardson publicly (and tearfully) defended Hardy. Throw in that Gettleman said they never considered suspending him and Rivera abruptly walked out of the presser pissed off the day they announced him going on the exempt list.

 

Pretty clear the NFL didn't really give the Panthers a choice in the matter.

 

which is it?

From management side not Hardy's side.

 

He was already under contract this season when things went bad.

 

They tried to keep him on the field and failed.  Now he's sitting at home taking up 13 million in cap space while the team has no pass rush, and all because he put himself in an awful situation.

 

So no, they didn't throw him under the bus, but I really don't see them taking a chance on him again.

[cardiackat88.]

After a while ALL things fade, especially with wins and production.

This league is based around money.

Money Comes from talent.

Ray Rice has talent.

If A+B=C

Ray Rice Brings Money

Nobody is paying runningbacks or drafting them in high rounds anymore. They are getting to be a dime a dozen.

No one wants a guy with his reputation, and his skills have faded considerably even before the incident.

[KillerKat]

fug! I'm just pissed!

[Mr. Scot]

Nobody is paying runningbacks or drafting them in high rounds anymore. They are getting to be a dime a dozen.

No one wants a guy with his reputation, and his skills have faded considerably even before the incident.

 

Plus they plugged Justin Forsett into the lineup and haven't missed a beat.  In fact, they're better.

 

[toldozer]

That's actually contradictory,

You're essentially saying if he would have fought the NFL on this, he then would have turned right around and cut Hardy in order to please the very people that he was fighting. That makes no sense at all.

Regardless, fighting the NFL is a losing proposition. The League can take away draft picks, impose cap penalties, etc.

You're not winning that fight. It'd be stupid to even try.

No. He FOLDED to keep the nfl happy. If HARDY had refused to go on the list he then would have cut hardy to keep the nfl happy. Not contradictory at all.

[Bj-Monster23]

Hardy's not suspended. He's on the Exempt List, and he agreed to be placed there.

But let's say he asked off. Adrian Peterson was on the Exempt List too and decided to try and get off it by pleading 'no contest' to the charges against him. Well, the League did indeed take him off the list, and about five seconds later they suspended him without pay for the rest of the year.

So now that we've seen that happen, what would make you think Hardy would be treated any different?

Perhaps more to the point, what would make Hardy think it'd be any different? For that matter, why would a man who per his own statements is all about the dollar bills take the risk of losing money when he can just sit home and collect paychecks without even so much as having to pass 'Go'?

He's not coming back this year. So by the time his trial rolls around and he comes off that list either to suspension or reinstatement, his contract with the Panthers will have ended. And I seriously doubt the team is willing to take the risk of making him another offer.

He's done here.

I understand where you coming from but you don't just let elite pass rushers walk. If Hardy is gone it's a must you bring in someone who can really get to the passer because that's what our defense is built to do. So if Hardy is going who is going to replace him JPP?

[BigBoss]

A man, innocent until proven guilty per fugged up NC law, can't play because the entity he plays for is worried about public perception. Meanwhile gangbangers wear the uniforms of said entity as "colors" while killing others. NFL has a heap of problems but $$$$$ always rule.

 

 

This HArdy crap has pissed me off from the beginning.  I wish I could tell Goodell "No More"

 

Except he was found guilty, whether or not it counts anymore, officially, he was already deemed guility.

 

 

As for Ray Rice, this makes Roger look incredibly bad and a liar. The implication was that, Ray's "lie" not the video, was why he was removed. Considering the Ravens already said he told the truth, and a few other things, it always seemed like Roger was just covering for himself on the situation.

[pstall]

Keep an eye on the Lions. Caldwell knows him.

[Mr. Scot]

No. He FOLDED to keep the nfl happy. If HARDY had refused to go on the list he then would have cut hardy to keep the nfl happy. Not contradictory at all.

 

Doesn't make any more sense when you phrase it that way either.  It's kind of a silly theory with no basis whatsoever in fact.

 

If Richardson was as compliant to teh NFL as you think, why not just cut him anyway?  It doesn't change the cap hit but you don't have to pay him anymore.  Heck, in your imagined scenario, what would stop him from cutting Hardy even now?

 

If Hardy had refused to go on the list, he'd have been suspended.  The appeal process likely would have stretched over most of the season and we'd still be pretty much where we are now.

 

But if you think the team just caved on this, you should go back and watch the video of the press conference where they announced it.  Granted, it doesn't sound like actual facts make a difference to you at this point, but if you can watch that tape and not come away clearly seeing team officials were pissed, well...

[Mr. Scot]

I understand where you coming from but you don't just let elite pass rushers walk. If Hardy is gone it's a must you bring in someone who can really get to the passer because that's what our defense is built to do. So if Hardy is going who is going to replace him JPP?

 

You do if you can't count on them.

 

Who replaces him?  Ask me again in the offseason.

[toldozer]

Doesn't make any more sense when you phrase it that way either. It's kind of a silly theory with no basis whatsoever in fact.

If Richardson was as compliant to teh NFL as you think, why not just cut him anyway? It doesn't change the cap hit but you don't have to pay him anymore. Heck, in your imagined scenario, what would stop him from cutting Hardy even now?

If Hardy had refused to go on the list, he'd have been suspended. The appeal process likely would have stretched over most of the season and we'd still be pretty much where we are now.

But if you think the team just caved on this, you should go back and watch the video of the press conference where they announced it. Granted, it doesn't sound like actual facts make a difference to you at this point, but if you can watch that tape and not come away clearly seeing team officials were pissed, well...

Let me break it down for you since you can't handle a thought process that is dealing with two different scenarios.

In a world where Jerry Richardson made the decision and not the nfl.

We refuse to put hardy on the exempt list. Nfl suspends hardy. The nflpa appeals and hardy is still playing.

IN a world where it was the nfls decision because Richardson bent over for them. He tells hardy they want him to go on the exempt list. Hardy had every right to refuse go on that list. Hardy would have been cut to keep the shield happy.

It was really quite simple Richardson protects the shield above all else. Don't know why that's so difficult to understand. If that wasn't true hardy would be playing right now.

And hardy got his money regardless what are you talking about that he wouldn't get paid if cut?

[Mr. Scot]

Let me break it down for you since you can't handle a thought process that is dealing with two different scenarios.

In a world where Jerry Richardson made the decision and not the nfl.

We refuse to put hardy on the exempt list. Nfl suspends hardy. The nflpa appeals and hardy is still playing.

IN a world where it was the nfls decision because Richardson bent over for them. He tells hardy they want him to go on the exempt list. Hardy had every right to refuse go on that list. Hardy would have been cut to keep the shield happy.

It was really quite simple Richardson protects the shield above all else. Don't know why that's so difficult to understand. If that wasn't true hardy would be playing right now.

And hardy got his money regardless what are you talking about that he wouldn't get paid if cut?

 

Yeah...it's actually not difficult to understand what you're saying.  It's that what you're saying makes no sense and pretty much has little connection to the real events.

 

Pretty sure you could find a dozen more ways to rephrase it and that'd still be true.  Keep trying if you want though

[FugginPoo]

The lesson here is Hardy should've just knocked that hoe out on camera!