Spending $13.1 million

[Wyank]

Thanks for the brilliant contribution. I can tell you really put a lot of work into it.

 

And screw hindsight, I didn't like the Hardy situation as soon as I learned we had no plans to sign or trade him, long before his legal problem hit.

 

See my post

 

Sorry

[Marguide]

... but I can see arguments either way.

 

Keep in mind I only provided one example. There were plenty of people we could have chosen to spend that same $13 million on.

 

No one will ever know which direction would have provided the greatest impact. The only reason this subject was raised is many consistently make the point that we had no options, that there was no one worth signing, or they were all too expensive. In reality, it is very much open to debate as to whether franchising Hardy was the best option.

[fieryprophet]

Cam's going to count about $15 million against the cap next year unless we do something this offseason. Luke's deal will come about the time TD will either be gone or cheap. And the cap is expected to rise significantly over the next 3 years.

But that is somewhat besides the point. The question is, would we have been a better team with a decent LT but no Hardy? Or a decent LT and WR but no Hardy?

I'm not sure how much a better LT would help. Bell has been bad but so has the entire group. It's easy to argue in hindsight about Hardy but our pass rush has been awful and our defense has fallen much further than our offense from last year. Which is truly sad to say seeing how pathetic the offense has been.

[TheRumGone]

Keep in mind I only provided one example. There were plenty of people we could have chosen to spend that same $13 million on.

No one will ever know which direction would have provided the greatest impact. The only reason this subject was raised is many consistently make the point that we had no options, that there was no one worth signing, or they were all too expensive. In reality, it is very much open to debate as to whether franchising Hardy was the best option.

Actually my point was keeping hardy gave us the best chance within our long term plans to have back to back winning seasons.

Not that we didn't have a choice. We could have done something but it either would have been marginal talent or something that went against our long term plans.

Not sure if you were talking about me but thanks for this thread. Good stuff

[DamnItJake!]

Feels like Julius Peppers number take they money after a lackluster season..even though different situations...

Even though it hurt this year.. If he's cleared carolina should go after him for cheap.. But see other teams paying high for him regardless .. Just my 50cent ..

[rippadonn]

Feels like Julius Peppers number take they money after a lackluster season..even though different situations...

Even though it hurt this year.. If he's cleared carolina should go after him for cheap.. But see other teams paying high for him regardless .. Just my 50cent ..

I think a team in our division would sign him. A guy who can play DE and DT at such a high level?!? There was no obvious pattern of abuse that I've read or heard about. It was a argument. If our ownership wants to continue to rack up PR points instead of Championships so be it. Maybe he's satisfied with the other awards other than the Lombardi. If your truly in the football business you would find a way to work things out with your best players.

As far as $. Yeah, Julius raped them if Hardy walks this could be worse. If you didn't want GH why pay him for a year when you gutted the team from last year. It only would have been smart if you were genuinely making a run for the trophy, like you should be every year anyway.

Yeah,

[DamnItJake!]

I think a team in our division would sign him. A guy who can play DE and DT at such a high level?!? There was no obvious pattern of abuse that I've read or heard about. It was a argument. If our ownership wants to continue to rack up PR points instead of Championships so be it. Maybe he's satisfied with the other awards other than the Lombardi. If your truly in the football business you would find a way to work things out with your best players.

As far as $. Yeah, Julius raped them if Hardy walks this could be worse. If you didn't want GH why pay him for a year when you gutted the team from last year. It only would have been smart if you were genuinely making a run for the trophy, like you should be every year anyway.

Yeah,

fug yeah!! I feel ur passion and agree .. I loved Keyshawn and TE dude from the giants but carolina finds a away to kill passionate veteran leaders..I question many moves this team has done..Iam off the soap box

[DamnItJake!]

Shockey.. So pissed the way carolina did him

[rayzor]

You can't look at just the 2014 cap hit. Hardy was a rental specifically because he cost nothing after 2014. All of those players would command even more in future seasons.

would they not be worth it to give them multi year deals?

[B.BERSIN]

You really did a great job at crying about spilt milk.

[Jangler]

weed?

[CRA]

As all of you know, we tagged Greg Hardy at a cost of $13.1 million in cap space. According to those closest to the team, there was never any intention of signing him long term nor any attempt to trade him. So consider him a 1 year rental.

Here's the question/exercise...what could we have done with that same amount of cap space if we chose not to tag Hardy? A few examples follow. Please note this thread has nothing to do with his legal problems, we are only looking at the potential value of a great defensive end versus filling some holes in other areas with good players.

For example, here are 3 players we could have signed and stayed roughly the same in cap impact:

• Golden Tate, WR, Cap hit of $3.1 million
• Jason Veldheer, LT, Cap hit of $2.5 million
• Aquib Talib, CB, Cap hit of $7.9 million

Would we have been better off with these 3 or with Greg Hardy alone?

If you want to look at who was available, check this link: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents

For cap charges, follow this link: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/ and just type in who you want to search for.

The point of all of this is to show that we had a number of viable options available to us. Guys like Branden Albert, DeSean Jackson, Eric Decker and Alterraun Verner. And by the way, our old buddy Mike Mitchell carries a $2.2 million cap hit this year.

It's your chance to play GM. Have at it.

If you don't tag Hardy and look at the 13 million.....you also have to put all the money we spent on Harper, DeCoud, Avant, Cotchery etc back in play with it when starting over

[Matthias]

For those who are saying hindsight about this situation, there was nothing hindsight about it.  Somebody mentioned Julius Peppers' last year here, which was a tagged year of 16 million dollars.  Everyone knew that was just a rental year.  Where did that get us?  No where.  Fast forward to this previous off season.  We knew giving Hardy the tag would cost us 13 million dollars.  Many have said Hardy wasn't going to be given a long term deal.  (In fact many of us were saying that playoff lost to San Fran was Hardy's last game in a Panther's uniform)  So why should we waste time in renting him for a year?  

 

This was the number one thing I and plenty of others were discussing this past off season.  This was no hindsight at all.  I was eyeing guys like Veldheer and some others.  Yet the Panthers were dumb enough to give him the tag, even though they knew full well they weren't going to resign him to the money he was looking for.  I blame Rivera more than anyone else.  I believe being the defensive minded coach he is, fought hard to keep Hardy in place with the tag.  His idiotic actions cost us this entire season.

[CRA]

For those who are saying hindsight about this situation, there was nothing hindsight about it. Somebody mentioned Julius Peppers' last year here, which was a tagged year of 16 million dollars. Everyone knew that was just a rental year. Where did that get us? No where. Fast forward to this previous off season. We knew giving Hardy the tag would cost us 13 million dollars. Many have said Hardy wasn't going to be given a long term deal. (In fact many of us were saying that playoff lost to San Fran was Hardy's last game in a Panther's uniform) So why should we waste time in renting him for a year?

This was the number one thing I and plenty of others were discussing this past off season. This was no hindsight at all. I was eyeing guys like Veldheer and some others. Yet the Panthers were dumb enough to give him the tag, even though they knew full well they weren't going to resign him to the money he was looking for. I blame Rivera more than anyone else. I believe being the defensive minded coach he is, fought hard to keep Hardy in place with the tag. His idiotic actions cost us this entire season.

Dave is the GM....not Ron.

Dave also comes to us via NY....and they were constantly criticized for a number of years for over investing at DL (specifically at DE) and it costing them elsewhere.

Hardy tag IMO screams Dave following his NYG blueprint. NY did comcial stuff at DE. Ron stinks....don't let others off the hook bc of it