Who to blame for Panthers' last ranked D

[TheRumGone]

Corners aren't a wash. Our starting nickel formation.....which in today's NFL opponents can make your base was drastically worse. Captain was above average in that set at nickel.

We also didn't need to find top 5 caliber S play for cheap. Average is a noteworthy improvement over Harper.

We had Hardy's 13 mill, PLUS what we gave all these bums PLUS our current cap space. You tell me with that we could of found some better DBs

Bene is our starting nickel. And he looked great before that injury. Corners are a wash with melvin, Norman and Cason. What safety on the market are you referring to because mikel was exception for ridiculously cheap. mitchell got a 4.5 mil signing bonus and 5 million guaranteed.

You are thinking in a 1 year vacuum instead of a long term plan

[Panthers8969]

Id rather have a jar of peanut butter for our head coach

[CRA]

Bene is our starting nickel. And he looked great before that injury. Corners are a wash with melvin, Norman and Cason. What safety on the market are you referring to because mikel was exception for ridiculously cheap. mitchell got a 4.5 mil signing bonus and 5 million guaranteed.

You are thinking in a 1 year vacuum instead of a long term plan

He looked great vs what was the worst starting nickel play in the NFL which was Godfrey (not just hate but true). Bene also didn't face the offenses Godfrey did. You go into the season....with a rookie and Godfrey as your nickel CBs competing. Regardless of how Bene turned out that is a weak plan in todays NFL

Nothing suggests much of a long term plan. I'd like to hear what long term plan we are doing. What we did to our OL, WRs and secondary doesn't show much vision. Hurney card doesn't hold that much weight with me.....doesn't excuse Dave.

Dave IMO is drastically overrated. He got oddly lucky with 3 cheap FA pickups and I think he bought into him being some genius. Dave's plan.....don't know what this. Looks to me like he wants to watch it all burn to the ground and built some clone of the NYG and long term I don't think that is ideal

[GoDaddyGo]

You can blame the offense for this a bit. Constant 3 and outs and defense is tired. Of course not all their blame but if the D is on the field long enough, bad things will happen.

[TheRumGone]

He looked great vs what was the worst starting nickel play in the NFL which was Godfrey (not just hate but true). Bene also didn't face the offenses Godfrey did. You go into the season....with a rookie and Godfrey as your nickel CBs competing. Regardless of how Bene turned out that is a weak plan in todays NFL

Nothing suggests much of a long term plan. I'd like to hear what long term plan we are doing. What we did to our OL, WRs and secondary doesn't show much vision. Hurney card doesn't hold that much weight with me.....doesn't excuse Dave.

Dave IMO is drastically overrated. He got oddly lucky with 3 cheap FA pickups and I think he bought into him being some genius. Dave's plan.....don't know what this. Looks to me like he wants to watch it all burn to the ground and built some clone of the NYG and long term I don't think that is ideal

 

who are these players we should have signed and where is the money

 

the cap is real.

 

please name players. but i've heard you before (thats not my job) well if you are gonna have this argument that he should have signed better players, you need to be able to name them. if not, your argument fails.

 

in a way he is burning this thing to the ground. hardy was a bridge that collapsed because of his court case for this year. we are a team in transition.

 

he's gonna decide who our core is, hand out contracts, draft, free up cap space and sign players to deals when space is free. it's not possible right now. you will see core players walk because we don't have the money to sign them.

 

i don't overrate dave, i just understand what is going on. he's trying to give us the biggest/longest window with our core players.

[CRA]

You can blame the offense for this a bit. Constant 3 and outs and defense is tired. Of course not all their blame but if the D is on the field long enough, bad things will happen.

Back when they D was getting blown out of the water our O still had one of the best TOP in the game. D just sucked IMO.

[CRA]

who are these players we should have signed and where is the money

the cap is real.

please name players. but i've heard you before (thats not my job) well if you are gonna have this argument that he should have signed better players, you need to be able to name them. if not, your argument fails.

in a way he is burning this thing to the ground. hardy was a bridge that collapsed because of his court case for this year. we are a team in transition.

he's gonna decide who our core is, hand out contracts, draft, free up cap space and sign players to deals when space is free. it's not possible right now. you will see core players walk because we don't have the money to sign them.

i don't overrate dave, i just understand what is going on. he's trying to give us the biggest/longest window with our core players.

There are 32 teams, 32 practice squads, a draft, etc.

It isn't as simple as go back to a FA list and name someone. There are rosters all over this league with better backups than our starters. All kinds of deals can be made.

So naming someone just off a dated FA list.....pretty much ignores tons of options

I never liked the Dave move. Still don't. I still think his goal is to burn it down and build an inconstant NYG team. Which is mainly relying on a front 4 and his new QB. Talk is cheap....what he has done in his brief time for Newton speaks

[TheRumGone]

There are 32 teams, 32 practice squads, a draft, etc.

It isn't as simple as go back to a FA list and name someone. There are rosters all over this league with better backups than our starters. All kinds of deals can be made.

So naming someone just off a dated FA list.....pretty much ignores tons of options

I never liked the Dave move. Still don't. I still think his goal is to burn it down and build an inconstant NYG team. Which is mainly relying on a front 4 and his new QB. Talk is cheap....what he has done in his brief time for Newton speaks

 

and its also not as simple as saying 32 teams 32 practice squads and a draft.

 

you are all over the place. you say there's a draft to fix some needs but we drafted a nickel and say "we can't go in with a rookie and godfrey"

 

and no not all kinds of deals can be made.

 

but i know i wont change your mind and you think what you think. so have at it.

[CRA]

and its also not as simple as saying 32 teams 32 practice squads and a draft.

you are all over the place. you say there's a draft to fix some needs but we drafted a nickel and say "we can't go in with a rookie and godfrey"

and no not all kinds of deals can be made.

but i know i wont change your mind and you think what you think. so have at it.

You go into a seaosn with Godfrey and a rookie competing for a starting nickel job.....and that is asking for trouble. Especially early on. Means unless your rookie comes out ballin and stud healthy.....you are destined to suck

Yes, all kinds of "deals" are made in the NFL. From moving in drafts, adding unspectacular players from other teams that are sitting bc of great depth, etc. Look at more teams, it happens.

I think Dave has to earn his hype. Said it day 1. He hasn't earned our confidence yet. I don't think that is crazy. What he did to his QB this year(if you assume he believes Cam is part of the big picture).....is enough to doubt him

[CPantherKing]

Always goes back to coaching. You can give me all the parts to build a top end race car and a good driver, but when parts fail and adjustments need to be made to the engine the mechanic and engineer are responsible. Cannot drop the driver into a car with cap parts and only partially fueled and expect him to compete at a high level.

Coaches had a plan and forced their parts into that plan regardless if they were the correct parts. They should have adjusted and re-engineered the defense around their strongest parts.

Luke and TD are the strongest parts and they are being dropped into coverage which is the weakest part of their game.

Coach fail. They are not putting their players in a position to win.

[Jangler]

the numbers 1-31

[TheRumGone]

You go into a seaosn with Godfrey and a rookie competing for a starting nickel job.....and that is asking for trouble. Especially early on. Means unless your rookie comes out ballin and stud healthy.....you are destined to suck

Yes, all kinds of "deals" are made in the NFL. From moving in drafts, adding unspectacular players from other teams that are sitting bc of great depth, etc. Look at more teams, it happens.

I think Dave has to earn his hype. Said it day 1. He hasn't earned our confidence yet. I don't think that is crazy. What he did to his QB this year(if you assume he believes Cam is part of the big picture).....is enough to doubt him

Year 1 created a lot of hype for sure and I think rightfully so. Dave kept saying we are cap challenged and there will be growing pains but a lot of ppl didn't listen, myself included. Dave has never lied.

Could they have shaken things up a bit? Possibly signed some ps tackles, ps safeties, traded up in the draft? Maybe. It's all a crapshoot though. He has done fairly well in the draft and in two years he has signed some cheap talent that has played well.

Regarding cam, one year of poo shouldn't cloud your judgement on what he is trying to do for cam long term. It's cliche but you can blame hurney for that. This team needs an influx of talent. Hurney spent big money on positions that don't matter and overpayed on positions that do. I mean what is it 30% of our total cap is on players that aren't on the team anymore? Add in the rb money and you can see where were at financially and why some things were not options for us.

I don't believe a GM would come out and say yes he is the franchise, then strip away weapons and protections and then say welp he sucks not gonna pay him. That is borderline conspiracy theory.

We will see how this all plays out but I'm not gonna damn the man who inherited one of the worst cap situations in sports history and isn't trying to make it worse for the long term. I'll give him another year or two before I really decide because big decisions will be made this offseason. I think hardy is the ultimate reason we suck so bad. Everything was tied to the dline because of his first draft and hurney getting two baller DE's. Dave dodged a massive mistake by not signing him long term and just looking at him as a bridge.

I think you are being premature in saying he wants the Giants inconsistent model and a new qb

[mmmbeans]

McD has run a top 15 unit just once in his career... he's simply reverting to the mean.

[pantherclaw]

The best defense is an offense that can keep the defense rested.