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Who to blame for Panthers' last ranked D

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iamhubby1 Veteran

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Last year teams had a really tough time running on us. This year, it isn't so tough but we have slipped a bit.

Last year QBs knew they were going to get pressure. Coming into the game they were worried for their health. This year, not so much.

Hardy had a lot to do with both of those. He made everyone on that line better. We really do miss that. Alexander was a key backup as well.

So IMO, our D-line slipping is the main reason we are where we are.

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It's really 3 things for me

 

1. First and foremost: Lack of Greg Hardy leaves us with only 1 perennial pass rusher who is in turned shut out of the game with double teams. Horton and Ealy benefit from Johnson being targeted at times, but they aren't talented enough to draw attention themselves. Hardy opens the entire defense up to cause chaos.

 

2. Close second: The secondary is piss-poor pitiful. They all suck. Norman has shown signs, but he's too inconsistent to say he doesn't suck right now. They aren't very good. It's simple. Now, you can blame the players, their lack of execution, and blatta blah blah. But the fact that this is what the FO has given this coaching staff to work with, the players can't be blamed for being told to start and play. The FO is fully at blame for fielding these players.

 

3. Third and less important but still worth noting: By and Large, our linebackers are inconsistent in coverage. Great tacklers, great at locating the ball, but the weakness of Luke/TD/Klein is the fact that they collectively are below average in zone and man coverage

 

Basically, I blame this coaching staff for game management and situational adjustments on both sides of the ball. I do not, however, blame this coaching staff for the defense, the offensive line, or the lack of weaponry on offense.

 

Essentially, Dave Gettleman takes the majority of the blame for this. These are the players that HE chose to give the coaching staff to work with.

 

The lack of talent can't be put on the players or the coaches. The players aren't very good, they shouldn't be on this team as the best possible options. Simple as that. But, you can't blame the players for playing and you can't blame the coaches for choosing from what they've got.

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The Huddler Veteran

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Pass rush.

We have none.

We lost our best pass rusher - Hardy

CJ isn't as productive without Hardy on the other side.

Lost our best backup/rotational guy with frank Alexander being suspended.

Two key cogs that nobody expected not to be playing.

If the FO truly don't intend to keep Hardy, they better find someone to replace him.

There isn't a player on the roster that will.

What about you man? can you fill in? i bet you could get to the QB

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It's really 3 things for me

 

1. First and foremost: Lack of Greg Hardy leaves us with only 1 perennial pass rusher who is in turned shut out of the game with double teams. Horton and Ealy benefit from Johnson being targeted at times, but they aren't talented enough to draw attention themselves. Hardy opens the entire defense up to cause chaos.

 

2. Close second: The secondary is piss-poor pitiful. They all suck. Norman has shown signs, but he's too inconsistent to say he doesn't suck right now. They aren't very good. It's simple. Now, you can blame the players, their lack of execution, and blatta blah blah. But the fact that this is what the FO has given this coaching staff to work with, the players can't be blamed for being told to start and play. The FO is fully at blame for fielding these players.

 

3. Third and less important but still worth noting: By and Large, our linebackers are inconsistent in coverage. Great tacklers, great at locating the ball, but the weakness of Luke/TD/Klein is the fact that they collectively are below average in zone and man coverage

 

Basically, I blame this coaching staff for game management and situational adjustments on both sides of the ball. I do not, however, blame this coaching staff for the defense, the offensive line, or the lack of weaponry on offense.

 

Essentially, Dave Gettleman takes the majority of the blame for this. These are the players that HE chose to give the coaching staff to work with.

 

The lack of talent can't be put on the players or the coaches. The players aren't very good, they shouldn't be on this team as the best possible options. Simple as that. But, you can't blame the players for playing and you can't blame the coaches for choosing from what they've got.

 

You and I are basically on the same page in regards to Gettleman.  Too many people are giving him a pass in my opinion.

 

I disagree, however, regarding Norman.  Norman has been fairly consistent this year. No one is perfect.  During our losing streak, Norman has had to face some of the NFL's best this season, and has done a commendable job.  Anyone who has a PFF account could probably provide some pertinent stats.  I know that before the ATL game, opposing QBs were only completing 48 percent of the passes against him.  Many Huddlers appear to have been wrong about Norman.  He apparently just needed discipline.  He is actually one of the more talented ones on this team right now.

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I don't see this at all.

Cason is a Pro Bowler. He & Harper have been productive without last year's front 7.

Mitchell was complete dog poo in Oakland. He's garbage again this year. He had one decent year playing behind the best front in football. Munnerlyn is the worst CB in the league this year.

Our secondary is bad, but they aren't any worse than last year's. The front 7 is the difference.

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